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[Air Luigi]

I completed the both versions of L7. L7 Hard was Normal Luckily, I ignored the advice of Moosh and I am finishing all the extra dungeons. The extra dungeons are very well balanced =)

[Moosh]

I completed the both versions of L7. L7 Hard was Normal Luckily, I ignored the advice of Moosh and I am finishing all the extra dungeons. The extra dungeons are very well balanced =)

Somebody give this man a medal! I seriously underestimated you. I underestimated a lot of people, actually. I'm currently looking for a way besides cheats that I can make the final bonus dungeon available to those who skipped it and I think I've found a solution. So if you skipped Ultimate Test, have no worries. The next update should open that gate.

[Air Luigi]

Amazing stuff... Level 8, oh my god... Thank you for the fun, Moosh, congratulations for making this masterpiece! Quests like this are what make so great Zelda Classic!

It seems that Ultimate Test will be difficult... xD

Aside Moosh´s Ways, I enjoyed inmmensely all the dungeons. Level 8 was the fireworks!

PROS

-Stellar level design
-New bosses
-Lots of ideas and tricks that I never saw in ZC
-Humour
-LEVEL 8
-Challenging and fair extra levels
-Music (La-Mulana *.*)
-Cameos

CONS
-Overworld is a bit simple
-It's a short quest

Rating: 9/10 (Five stars)

Question, Have you a list with all cameos in the quest? I would love to see it!

Edited by Air Luigi, 24 April 2013 - 10:04 PM.

[Russ]

I can provide the cameo list, actually.

Danmaku, first of the seven: SpacemanDan. The sprite is based off a character of Dan's. And Dan loves bullet hells, hence, a bullet hell fight.
Glitchevan, second of the seven: Evan20000. Evan found this one LP of Link's Awakening where the guy glitched the game and the shop keeper was replaced by a murderous bird phone. Hence, the birdphone.
Eppy, third of the seven: Eppy37. I'd assume he likes Touhou, hence the Touhou sprite, but I honestly don't know for certain actually...
Russdorm, forth of the seven: It's me! For the life of me I don't know why I'm a Moldorm. Moosh just popped into IRC, asked "Hey Russ, are you alright being a Moldorm?", I responded "Okay...", and you know the rest.
Meelee Wizard, fifth of the seven: MeleeWizard, obviously. See his avatar.
TeamUDF, sixth of the seven: There's a good friend of ours named TeamUDF. He mainly does LPs and stuff on Youtube. He has an account on Pure that he's never posted with called ZelosPhoenixUDF, hence, the phoenix sprite.
Moosh: Does this one need any explanation?

So... only 10 deaths. Good lord you're good at this.

[Air Luigi]

Thank you Russ, but I think there are much more references. Like the Russ Potion, the Tothetop room or the main theme of The Hero of Dreams.

I played NES, SNES and Game Boy since I was a child, so I'm used to play hard videogames. ZC is like going back to those times =)

Edited by Air Luigi, 24 April 2013 - 10:31 PM.

[Moosh]

Thank you Russ, but I think there are much more references. Like the Russ Potion, the Tothetop room or the main theme of The Hero of Dreams.

I played NES, SNES and Game Boy since I was a child, so I'm used to play hard videogames. ZC is like going back to those times =)

A pretty big list of references and inspiration and stuff.

• The intro theme is a dual reference to Hero of Dreams and Link's Quest for the Hookshot because LQftH shamelessly ripped off Hero of Dreams' overworld theme
• The Ultimate Test was my attempt to imitate Franky's style of dungeon design. In an older build it was a shout out to quests like Liberation of Hyrule and Armageddon Quest and required damage management and was generally terrible because I'm not good at designing that type of dungeon. The boss at the end is a reference to a certain custom boss that is frequently used in Super Mario World hacks.
• Level 1 was originally an attempt at imitating CastChaos's design style, but I didn't like how it came out so in the final release I changed it to be a reference to Parallel Worlds and its obsession with floor tiles.
• Level 2 was somewhat of a reference to Dark World Level 1 of LQftH. Not really, though. The boss as I stated before is a combination of the words "avarice" and "lice".
• Level 3 is somewhat of a reference to the Tower of Hera in A Link to the Past but only really in the sense that it's a tower with switch blocks that's named after a Greek god. The boss' name could potentially be a reference to this, but I'm not sure exactly what was on my mind when I picked it out.
• Level 4's gimmick was actually inspired by Light of the Heavens DX. When I played the first level of that for the first time I thought "Wouldn't it be cool if Link had an air meter that gradually decreased when he stepped out of these air pockets?"
• Level 5 was heavily inspired by Link to the Past. Some screens were basically ripped off from the Dark Palace.
• Level 6 was just kinda there. The boss is also kinda there.
• Level 7 is a reference to LQftH's 7th dungeon which was also a wind dungeon. The enhanced music is D City Rock from Panty and Stocking. Obviously I can't link to that file here because rule 7 but I enabled it in an update because it had become an inside joke between me and my friends by that time and Russ was sad to see it go. The thing the boss says on hard mode...That's a can of worms right there. I wanted to remove it. I think someone objected. I forget who. It's just one of those jokes where if you get it you go "Why the hell would you reference that?" and if you don't you just go "What the hell, man?" Also the little Easy Modo clip was a reference to this.
• Level 8 isn't really a reference to anything. It was just a dungeon idea that came to me one day and I went and made it. The final area is a LQftH reference. The final boss is a reference to Romancing SaGa 2.
• The Lifted Cavern was an accidental reference to Russ. The term Russdungeon, that is a dungeon that's based around switches that trigger things elsewhere in the dungeon, has become somewhat of an inside joke in the IoR testing Skype group. The Subaquarium Magmacone in Darkness Within is possibly the wost case of Russdungeon ever created. We're working on training him not to do that.
• That room in Hall of Wizardry was indeed a reference to TotheTop, one of my favorite quests of all time. I kinda wish I could have referenced that quest more in this quest. I later added a room in the dungeon that reveals the path because I knew some people would criticize it. I guess I'm kinda bad for pandering to the masses. I really wish it was possible to please everybody.
• Mirror mountain has a room that's a reference to a room type I hate: the 10 rupee room. It's in the room where you get the compass. The room gives you 5 rupee drops instead of 1 and they respawn every time you kill the enemies. This makes it good for grinding (as if grinding will ever be needed in this quest).
• Pitfall was somewhat inspired by Link to the Past, specifically the Tower of Hera and moldorm. That's why I turned Russ into a moldorm. Otherwise he probably would have been Russell Crowe or something.
• Veni Vidi Vici was originally supposed to be a harder version of Level 7's sideview section. I ran out of ideas really quickly, though, and that's why the second half is so easy by comparison.
• Moosh's Ways was inspired by one of the more infuriating sections of Parallel Worlds. It was meant to be dumb and confusing because the original dungeon it was based on was dumb and confusing. My one regret is the lack of beamos. You can't have Parallel Worlds without beamos.
• Old Man Manhandalaha was based off of Sahasrahla from Link to the Past in that he's an old man with a name that's impossible to pronounce who gives you tips.
• The Chaos Boomerang, Manhandleye, and Spirit Lamp are all returning items from LQftH.
• The Guard Block is a reference to a mechanic in Bunny Must Die.
• The quest password is a reference to Bioshock
• In the credits, Saffith is listed as "Fixer of his game". This is a reference to an inside joke that started when I discovered a bug that allowed the player to walk through walls using the ladder. I responded to this by saying "Saffith, fix your game!" This line stuck and blaming Saffith for every single bug regardless of his involvement has become a sort of joke of ours.
• In the credits, Shoelace is listed as "Sexy beast". This is a reference to Shoelace being a sexy beast.
• In the credits, Dan is listed as "Eh, why not credit him one more time". This is a reference to how in his LP of Link's Quest for the Hookshot, he mentioned how he was technically credited three or four times being a ZC LPer, a member of PureZC, the person playing the game, and in a later update he was even given an official shout out for good measure.
• In the credits, Evan is listed as "Puncrafter general". This is because he's always making terrible puns in our Skype calls and I often join him.
• In the credits, MeccaPrime is listed as "Phoniest bird". This is a reference to this one LP of Link's Awakening. I don't know why the hell we found it so amusing, but we did.

And that's all I can think of for now. I'll probably have a massive facepalm moment and then add on like ten more to that list but whatever.

I should also mention the stories and information in this quest are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

Edited by Moosh, 25 April 2013 - 10:15 AM.

[Air Luigi]

Wow, awesome stuff

A thing that I liked in The Darkness Within, was the boss rush... I would love to replay all the Lqfth2's scripted bosses. Maybe too much to ask, but is there any chance of adding a boss rush to a future update? I honestly think this quest has the best bosses in any quest by far

[Yloh]

Moosh, I competed your game! I gotta say that it was a very well made game overall.

Level 8 is now in my top five favorite Zelda classic dungeons of all time. Very clever theme and great music choice for that level.

Most of the bosses where really well made. The only boss I truly felt was a boring boss was level 3.

Moosh's Ways is a dungeon planned by trolls, built by trolls, and made out of trolls. While that dungeon really annoyed me, that was its whole purpose.

Pros:

- Lots of different dungeons to explore
- A game that doesn't take itself too seriously
- The konami code reference
- Custom enemies
- Custom bosses
- Great dungeon design
- Optional challenge dungeons with great rewards
- Good music choices for most of the game
- Cameos for those who are more involved in the Zelda Classic community

Cons:

- While I really enjoyed level 4 overall, that dungeon made you exit it twice just so you could complete it. Once for the spring boots and a second time for the flippers. Backtracking can be fun, but in that case it was a little too much for me.
- I actually ran out of arrows in level 6 and had to grind for a while before I had enough to defeat the boss of level 6. I understand this problem has been resolved.
- Moosh's Ways *just kidding* but really that dungeon requires a lot of patients
- I can't really think of anything except for my minor nit picking

I really enjoyed how this game allows just about anybody to play it. There are optional challenges that please the hardcore, while the more casual player can choose to skip those optional challenges all together. You can even choose to do an easier version of level 7 if you really don't like wind.

I don't think I have anything else to say about this game. Great job Moosh! I will give this game 5/5 stars!

Edited by Yloh, 26 April 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[TheLegend_njf]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=FDXew2cAeeQ

I just completed a "Let's Play" video for this quest. Take a look if you're interested. lol

[Moosh]

There is a hint to that maze path there. You saw the bombable wall. It's in there. I guess I should have put a bomb shop early on. Darknuts and blue octoroks drop bombs fairly frequently but you'd have to know the program pretty well to know that.

Pretty good LP so far. I think it'll be interesting to see how your reflexes have improved by the end. You probably won't be able to beat most of the bonus dungeons (I don't think most normal people will), but that will still be a pretty solid improvement. The next few dungeons are much less packed than level 1. I didn't have a lot of space to work with when I remodeled level 1, so I filled it up with spinning tile rooms. Those return in later levels, but there are much fewer of them.

[TheLegend_njf]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=F5EP7mINOIU

[Moosh]

Another great installment! To get the next key in level 2, you need to go back to that room with the block on the island surrounded by water. As for the music which you asked about, the music in level 1 was Mt. Pyre from Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald and the music from level 4 was Maridia from Super Metroid. The Lifted Cavern is a side area that you need to complete part way through level 4. Those conveyors in level 4 were scripted to move Link faster although I've heard there's a non scripted way to do it. I've never been able to pull off the combo cycling required. I recall you said one of the rooms in level 2 was very lazy and I'll admit that I liked to hide behind the classic quest label when I made this quest so there are some lazy designed rooms. Hopefully they aren't enough to bring down your opinion of the quest significantly. The room with the spike trap was actually subconsciously influenced by a room in Hero of Dreams level 2 where triggering a secret activates a spike trap. I just realized this today. You mentioned you're using an unfamiliar button setup and I recommend that you reconfigure your keys to something you find more familiar because this quest gets hard. I know you mention your Temple of Cole a lot and although I haven't played it myself yet I have a feeling some parts of my bonus dungeons can trump even that. And this has been Moosh's rambling reactions for the day. I look forward to the next segment.

[TheLegend_njf]

Right now as it stands, I am really enjoying the challenge of this quest, and I actually see it as a "challenge quest". Therefore I thoroughly enjoy being tested in what this quest has to offer.

I finished another LP for Russ' quest, The Darkness Within, and I kind of (in the most polite way) bashed him on the difficulty he's presented in his quest, most particularly the first boss, the main reason I was more difficult on him, is because his quest has the right aim (by seeing how he's put it together) as being one of those quests that could represent Zeldaclassic 2.5 beautifully, and can go down as one of the greats, but of course, if it's too challenging for the common folk, it fails to meet that aim. (But who am I to decide what aim should be targeted here).

But, as I see your quest as a "challenge/humor" quest, I have come to expect anything, and believe your quest is designed to target a more skilled audience. Also, I don't mind being trumped, and please, when I mention The Temple of Cole, that's just a.... that's just a weird beast, it's not a normal Temple:

http://www.youtube.c...A0FBC0&index=25

That's the first of 8 long videos (at least an hour each) showing a quest player's journey through that disturbing temple.


I'm glad you enjoyed watching my LP, and please excuse my random sense of humor. Because you know, feeling high off Donkey Kong music, gossiping and starting drama with statues, and discussing lust compasses is just a normal part of life, ya know. lol

[TheLegend_njf]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=rISDSXWN9Gc

Part 3

[Yloh]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=rISDSXWN9Gc

Part 3

Good job on your videos so far.