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[The Satellite]

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Also, check THIS!

Reading this article led me to this related article, which couldn't help but make me think of how I used to argue about what "Hero" was being referred to in Twilight Princess, me believing it to be the Hero of Time, and now I realize from that article and the one you linked that Skyward Sword could very well share the same connection to TP as Ocarina of Time to A Link to the Past. Except I think that guy neglected to realize that the backstory in ALttP mentions the sword being created during the Imprisoning War (at least in the American; I'll have to check the Japanese translations again). But it's odd how I didn't even consider the possibility of Nintendo making a Zelda game that predated OoT as well. I'm starting to wonder if the Hero's Shade could now possibly be the SS Link, but if SS Link is canonically right-handed (I assume so, as he's a righty in the artwork as well), then I'm still betting that the Hero's Shade is the Hero of Time, as they're both canonically left-handed and the Hero of Time is, so far, is the only Link that existed before TP besides the SS Link. (And don't feed me any of that Minish Cap bullcrap; sorry but that game does not predate any of these. As far as I'm concerned, it's far towards the end of the timeline.)

Back to the original article, I'm still not buying any links between the mysterious figure and the gilded sword and just think it's a shout-out. But as for the figure himself, the fact that they're linking him to the Interlopers/Twili actually stands out. And if he turns out to be one of them and there's more of him... the story of Twilight Princess suddenly just got incredibly intriguing. Before, I thought the Twili's existence was nothing but incredibly poor filler; now, I'm not so sure. Can't wait to see.

I'm also starting to buy the connection between the creators of Majora's Mask and the Interlopers; I started to before, but this article kinda helps me solidify my beliefs. The harp being an item—though I'm not sure yet whether or not I believe it to be Sheik's harp—will be excellent if it means Link gets an actual instrument again (and no, the Spirit Flute doesn't count with its incredibly limited range ); I even wonder if it'll use touch-based harp-playing instead of buttons, but either will be fine. Personally hoping for buttons. And with the apparent possible connections to Wind Waker, wow, this could have the potential to be the uber-Zelda. ... best not to get hopes up, cuz that's what caused me to feel let down about TP, but still.

The only things I disagree with in the article is the Blue Figure's relation to the Queen of Fairies and that the Interlopers/Twili and the Dark Tribe from Four Swords Adventures could possibly be related, but the rest seems fairly sound, and he puts good arguments for why they would be feasible. Some of which are very good arguments.

That leaves us with the Oocca from TP. I hate those things. It almost kinda harms the mystery of Zelda by throwing in these little birds with human heads and saying that they created the Hylians and several things upon it. If they're gonna play a role in this game—say, Skyloft was what we now know as City in the Sky—I hope Nintendo does something to ease away the horribleness of the race. Such as... Give them humanoid forms before, for some reason, they "deevolved" into their birdlike forms? Because if the Oocca created all this stuff on Hyrule—including Hylians—then fled to the sky, why does Link live there as well? Two theories would be that either A.) Link is an Oocca with a humanoid form, or B.) Some Hylians lived with the Oocca in Skyloft. Or two others: Link is the only Hylian on Skyloft (we haven't seen any other humanoids besides the mysterious figure so far, after all), or that Skyloft isn't related to the Oocca at all, which doesn't make that much sense. Oh well, time will tell.

Anyways, I'd really like to read a statement what exactly it is people don't like about SS's style. Like, a serious one, where they explain what's wrong with the way it is and what would be better if the game was a dull grey mass even more than TP.

I honestly love the style. I'll admit I thought the first view of Link in the new style, with the sword and slowly bringing it around, was weird, but then I saw the gameplay and thought it was epic. I guess some people prefer dark and gritty to cartoony. I think there's room for both; WW and TP proved that both styles can work in the same series. But I personally love the direction SS is going with its graphics.

[Radien]

LOTS OF AWESOME IDEAS

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...Okay, so I can't just "thumb up" your post like on Facebook. Anyway, I think those are all great possibilities, and while I know that probably only one or two will actually happen -- if any -- I would be happy to see any of those ideas take form.

As for the Oocca, I take a very simple solution to the whole thing: when any of the characters say the Oocca created Hyrule, I don't believe them. I mean, why should I? Those little birdlike things?... If they were capable of creating an entire land, then SOMETHING drastic must've happened since then. They are most certainly not an omnipotent or omniscient race in TP. Personally, I think it's just a myth. I think the Oocca were an advanced race, and at the time the other races thought they had special powers. Mythology inflated that belief, until they were said to have "created" Hyrule.

But it's worthwhile to take into account the ideas that were left on the drawing room floor:

I have heard that the Rito were originally going to be an additional race in OoT. Then they were moved to WW, where they were morphed from another race.

Well, perhaps the Rito were considered as a possible addition to TP. And in their stead, the Oocca were introduced. I don't know what decision would cause them to be removed from TP, but it's quite possible that they were considered.

I suppose the Rito and the Oocca could both equally fill the role of "the fallen demigods" if needed. I'm not sure whether Nintendo will take that route, but I'd be fine if the Oocca never returned. They're creepy and weird, and to be honest they feel a little out of place in the Zelda series.



One thing to keep in mind: Hylians have been mentioned multiple times as "the race closest to the Gods." But they have been earthbound in all the games so far. So maybe they were once a sky race?... That would make a lot of sense. The "large ears to hear the Gods" thing sounds clever, but it also sounds like mythology. It would make more sense if they were once a sky race, that was later relegated to the world below (for whatever reason).

[The Satellite]

Mythology being an explanation for said belief is a great way to explain it; one can only hope. It is clear that Oocca did design several things in Hyrule, but as far as the whole species discrepancy, well, we'll see. As for the Rito, I'm positive that it's pretty much confirmed that they were evolutions of the Zora, mainly judging by Medli being a descendant of Laruto (supposedly) and her (or maybe it was another Rito) speaking of how Zoras were once unable to fly. I always assumed this to mean that the gods, when flooding Hyrule, took mercy on the Zoras and granted them the ability to fly so that they could make their new living above the sea. This would explain why the Rito have not appeared elsewhere.

[Radien]

Mythology being an explanation for said belief is a great way to explain it; one can only hope. It is clear that Oocca did design several things in Hyrule, but as far as the whole species discrepancy, well, we'll see. As for the Rito, I'm positive that it's pretty much confirmed that they were evolutions of the Zora, mainly judging by Medli being a descendant of Laruto (supposedly) and her (or maybe it was another Rito) speaking of how Zoras were once unable to fly. I always assumed this to mean that the gods, when flooding Hyrule, took mercy on the Zoras and granted them the ability to fly so that they could make their new living above the sea. This would explain why the Rito have not appeared elsewhere.

Ooccaa designs in TP Hyrule's architecture? Hmmm, I will have to look for that.

Yes, the Rito were descended from the Zora; that much has been confirmed as canon. At least, a sage said so, and that's as good of a confirmation as we'll likely get.

I wasn't suggesting the Rito are the Oocca, or anything like that. I just thought looking at their original plans for the Rito might be a good way to gauge Nintendo's intentions, and what they MIGHT do in SS.

[Jared]

If the Ooccaa helped create Hyrule, then the Minish/Picori must have also helped because of their connection with the rupees an items in the grass.

[The Satellite]

Ooccaa designs in TP Hyrule's architecture? Hmmm, I will have to look for that.

In one of the two articles, I came across this (which I didn't read all the way) that discusses the connections a bit. It has some interesting stuff in it, but again, I didn't read through it all the way yet.

Yes, the Rito were descended from the Zora; that much has been confirmed as canon. At least, a sage said so, and that's as good of a confirmation as we'll likely get.

I wasn't suggesting the Rito are the Oocca, or anything like that. I just thought looking at their original plans for the Rito might be a good way to gauge Nintendo's intentions, and what they MIGHT do in SS.

Ah, I understand now.

If the Ooccaa helped create Hyrule, then the Minish/Picori must have also helped because of their connection with the rupees an items in the grass.

... I honestly fail to see how that means anything. At all. The Minish hid stuff in grass; so what? It's explained in several other Zelda games that "Many people drop items in the grass" and that's why you find things when you cut it. Sorry, but I fail to see how that's a good reasoning for Minish to be connected to this game.

Besides, the goddesses created Hyrule. The in-game theory holds that the Oocca came first but then left for the sky, leaving behind artifacts of their kind as well as the Hylians before departing (even though I still incredibly dislike this story). There's no room for the Minish in this anywhere.

[AgentLym]

I'm getting more and more excited for Skyward Sword with every passing day. And THIS doesn't help!

The Big N just threw me for a loop.

[Russ]

Words fail to describe my reaction. This... this is pure genius. So is it just an amazing reference, or confirmation that Zelda is in the game?

[Chakaa]

THIS doesn't help!

The Big N just threw me for a loop.

That's insane, I never expected Nintendo to do something like that-- Wait, why was the person who discovered that listening to the trailer backwards

[The Satellite]

Never would have guessed. But guys. Before anyone forgets, A Link to the Past was the first game to use Zelda's Lullaby, so don't start going "OMG IT'S LINKED TO OoT!" And besides that, Zelda's Lullaby has been in a lot of Zelda games. So here's what I say to the trailer music reverse being Zelda's Lullaby: Big deal. Makes a cool theme, but other than that, big deal. Zelda's already confirmed to be in the game anyway.

Wait, why was the person who discovered that listening to the trailer backwards

People who get bored and reverse things out of boredom? I used to do it all the time...

[Jared]

I saw that a couple of hours ago, I was in shock.
Nintendo is so smart ^^
I love that rendition, it's so beautiful :'D

[AgentLym]

Words fail to describe my reaction. This... this is pure genius. So is it just an amazing reference, or confirmation that Zelda is in the game?

I take it as a direct reference to Ocarina of Time and storyline tie-ins. (And, I know that Zelda's Lullaby was introduced in LttP, but most people don't associate Zelda's Lullaby with LttP (at least I don't), and Nintendo knows this. Although, maybe it has something to do with the "war" mentioned in both OoT and LttP?)

Edited by AgentLym, 03 May 2011 - 08:08 PM.

[Bayta]

That's pretty cool, I must say (I mean Zelda's theme being the trailer music backwards). I never thought Nintendo would do something like that. I doubt it's directly referencing Ocarina though. Like TS said, Zelda's theme was in a lot of Zelda games. LttP, OoT, WW, ST, and I'm pretty sure it was in TP as well. It's just Zelda's theme, it's got no specific relation to Ocarina.

On a separate note, the idea did occur to me, like AgentLym, that Skyward Sword will further explain the pre-OoT war. I mean, it's been referenced ever since LttP, I can't imagine they'd not do anything big with it. On that note, I expect some more explanation of the Great Flood in a future game, but I digress.

[Sir Evan]

I doubt it has any significant meaning, but it is a cool little easter egg none the less. Really, I just wanna know if the new Zelda's Lullaby sounded so awesome when played backwards before that trailer.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

Eh, guys, don't get too over excited. This looks (and sounds, hehe) just like a little reference from Nintendo's side, but not like their way of revealing anything about the actual game.

I mean, step back and think about this for a moment: why would they do this? It makes no sense, no media that takes themselves seriously would post this as an actual news story trying to point out that "this song makes it obvious that the game will feature Zelda" or "that it's tied to OoT" or whatever, which means that it wouldn't give them any proper PR. And don't say PR isn't important... PR is everything, and Nintendo does not make one single move without thinking of PR. Chances are Nintendo, or the composer just decided to drop in a little homage.

That of course does not mean the game doesn't have any ties to OoT (I'd be surprised if it didn't... it's Zelda after all, and OoT 3DS is being released soon), but to say that because of this song, and that they did this on purpose to "hint" at anything I do not see as a possibility. Because it's completely pointless. People are already expecting all these things, plus Nintendo don't like to reveal story-elements in the first place, so again, chances are this is just another little cool thing that's being run over completely by all the fans desperately out to know all there is to know about the game.

This is my opinion, and I may be wrong of course. I just felt it had to be said, because if it turns out to be completely wrong, a lot of people could end up being disappointed, and some might even go so far as to say they've been "mislead" and so on... and don't say it wouldn't happen We've already seen it happen plenty of times.