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#166 SyrianBallaS

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 02:54 AM

.net core supports Linux, Mac, and Windows which we have 3 separate versions for so I thought it would be a good idea.

It's also open source (not sure anymore but was during development)

 

One constant bug for Windows 10 I noticed is that all quests with an intro sequence cause ZC to request the runtime to be terminated. If it doesn't have a intro sequence, it's fine.

 

Edit: Windows XP compatibility doesn't even let it run, and fullscreen glitches out even with 256 colors 640x480 but whatever it's ok for now.

 

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I'll try that

 

My main point for this is portability, no need for a 3rd party scripting language, and if need be, put in some ASP capabilities to do networking stuff.

 

I don't care too much either way, whatever the majority wants to do is fine with me, just giving some suggestions since I actually made a few Web Apps with it before and it's a lot more manageable and easier to debug.

 

I didn't even contribute yet, or a significant amount so I don't care too much.


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Posted 05 July 2016 - 03:46 AM

.net core supports Linux, Mac, and Windows which we have 3 separate versions for so I thought it would be a good idea.
It's also open source (not sure anymore but was during development)
 
One constant bug for Windows 10 I noticed is that all quests with an intro sequence cause ZC to request the runtime to be terminated. If it doesn't have a intro sequence, it's fine.
 
Edit: Windows XP compatibility doesn't even let it run, and fullscreen glitches out even with 256 colors 640x480 but whatever it's ok for now.


Well, Windows 10 is rubbish, but... By intro sequences, do you mean 2.10 style cutscenes?

I don't know what would cause ZC to crash when using those. I mean, if they were that problematic, they'd also do the same thing at other points in a quest, not merely at the beginning.


8-bit colour is a Windows problem running the allegro 4 libraries. IDK if compiling on Win 10 would do anything, but you can always try. I know that back in the Vista days, some of the devs tried compiling for Vista, on Vista, but IDK the outcome. If you compile it on win10, let me know if that changes anything. I'm not holding me breath though.
 

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I'll try that
 
My main point for this is portability, no need for a 3rd party scripting language, and if need be, put in some ASP capabilities to do networking stuff.
 
I don't care too much either way, whatever the majority wants to do is fine with me, just giving some suggestions since I actually made a few Web Apps with it before and it's a lot more manageable and easier to debug.

Right now, we're not even on the subject of yet-alother-language. Give it 2-3 years before we get back to the issue of language support.

 

What happened to Dark Dragon anyway? Breaker piss him off too?

Zoria - You are being stubborn, it was pointed out to you SEVERAL TIMES tat BOTH SAFFITH AND GLEEOK acknowledged the need to fix the problems created. Yes, I dislike Saffith's attitude about it, but why wouldn't I? Are we supposed to accept that SAFFITH RUINED OUR QUESTS WITH HIS BULLSHIT!?! and yet still doesn't think it;s a problem?

 

 

From what I recall, DarkDragon stopped working on ZC, for the same reasons that -L-, joe, and a few others did. People ranting like children...pretty much like this, irritating them to the point that they just didn't care any more, at all.

 

He's still around, for critical maintenance of shardstorm.com, as he owns that server.

 

 

(further response in spoiler tags to allow everyone else to breeze past if they desire)

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Edited by ZoriaRPG, 05 July 2016 - 03:58 AM.

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 04:56 PM

Yeah, C# is a bit too tightly bound to Microsoft than I'd like. Plus, after a cursory inspection, it doesn't seem to have much support for allegro.

Personally, I'd favor a very basic C/C++ backend that runs a moderately fast scripting language like lua (or angelscript seems to be the preferred one here), since I've worked with a similar system before, and know it works fairly well.

Of course, I'd really prefer lisp or something, but I know that's not happening. :P

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 07:59 PM

Correct, because Saffith HIMSELF said THIS in one of the links.  
 

 

 

But yeah, he didn't say that, even though he did.

 

I suggest next time before you get condescending you bother to read the entirety of what was posted and discussed, since you obviously missed some things in your haste to defend Mr. Rigid.

 

 

 

First of all, Saffith did NOT make Zelda Classic, that was Phantom Menace.  He didn't make ZScript either, that was L.  Even if he had, no amount of contributions, excuses treating the community like shit or ruining people quests, and then turning around and saying you'd rather ruin people's quests than to have ONE version of the program be bad.

 

You seem to forget one major detail:

Saffith is currently one of the main developers of ZC.

He can make sure what you are asking for will never happen if he so chooses.

Also, I must ask you to not put words into other peoples mouths. Zoria did not say that, and it is rather pretentious for you to make him out to be ignorant. He's been trying to point out to you how this is impossible, and you are ignoring him ​and then accusing him of ignoring you. Cut it out.

 

 

What happened to Dark Dragon anyway?  Breaker piss him off too?

 

Zoria - You are being stubborn, it was pointed out to you SEVERAL TIMES tat BOTH SAFFITH AND GLEEOK acknowledged the need to fix the problems created.  Yes, I dislike  Saffith's attitude about it, but why wouldn't I?  Are we supposed to accept that SAFFITH RUINED OUR QUESTS WITH HIS BULLSHIT!?! and yet still doesn't think it;s a problem?

 

No, I don't think you understand. We only have about 5 quest rules left we can add. We add any more, and we have to have a new quest format, completely breaking any compatibility that you seem to want us to have. We have to prioritize, and believe it or not, statues shooting at Link while he's close to him isn't very high on the priority list. Zoria himself stated he would think about adding that, but you and your insulting attitude ruined that for everybody who did want that. Why should we add something that could be easily scripted, over something of a bigger concern, like the Bitmap issue which breaks dark room scripts? I'm sorry you don't want to script it, but as we said, we can't add many more quest rules.

I apologize for being rude, but Anarchy, you need to chill. Attacking the developers ain't going to get you far, and these changes may happen in the future. In the meantime, can you please get off the developers back and stop with the hostility? I promise we'll do our best to fix this by next update. I am not guaranteeing it though.


Edited by Dimentio, 05 July 2016 - 08:11 PM.

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#170 Mister Snooze

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 06:26 PM

Still hoping to be able to play on windows 10, any progress there?



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Posted 22 July 2016 - 08:05 PM

You seem to forget one major detail:Saffith is currently one of the main developers of ZC.
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No, I don't think you understand. We only have about 5 quest rules left we can add. We add any more, and we have to have a new quest format, completely breaking any compatibility that you seem to want us to have.

Just noting, that it's probably three or something now,as Saffith may need one, Tamamo used one, and maybe one more. I'd need to go through and check changes versus total bits, to be certain. I favour attributes like these as npc properties, in any case.

We could probably add a second unsigned long for 'new' 2.53+ rules, but I'd like to sort out issues with QRs in general before doing that.

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 08:14 PM

Still hoping to be able to play on windows 10, any progress there?

 

I believe there was a fix somewhere for windows 8 users somewhere on armageddongames, should work with windows 10. I think I may have linked it in one of the windows 10/8 compatibility threads. Anywho, I'm not really sure what would be causing the incompatibility with Windows 10, because I don't own or ever plan on using windows 10, making it impossible for me to know exactly what's wrong. Sorry I couldn't help more D:



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Posted 23 July 2016 - 03:19 AM

Not sure if this is a Windows 10 or ZC 2.50.2 issue, but I've been getting a lot of instances where the ZC program will just randomly freeze up and go into some weird color freeze.  Can still save my game if I can mentally visualize the menu options, but then have to go into Task Manager to shut down the program.  This can happen at any time and in any quest, and can even happen on the file select screen if I wait long enough.  Can't play in fullscreen, but that's not a big issue for me in general.

 

Any idea why and how these crashes occur?  Any options on what to do for this?



#174 Jamian

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Posted 23 July 2016 - 03:34 PM

You need to install DXGL and add the ZC exe file there if you want to use the program with Windows 8 or 10.



#175 Mister Snooze

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 02:41 PM

Hello Jamian, nice to hear from you. I tried downloading this program but I am not understanding quite what to do. Pardon my ignorance.


You need to install DXGL and add the ZC exe file there if you want to use the program with Windows 8 or 10.

When I try to open configure DXGL I receive a message that the program can't start because MSVCP120.dll is missing



#176 Jamian

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 02:55 PM

If you're missing a dll (this goes for pretty much any of them), just type the file name into google and you should find a download site for it. Download it then put it in the same folder as the program that gave the error. Hope this works!



#177 Mister Snooze

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 03:23 PM

If you're missing a dll (this goes for pretty much any of them), just type the file name into google and you should find a download site for it. Download it then put it in the same folder as the program that gave the error. Hope this works!

Thanks for trying to help. When I look up that particular .dll file it says it seems to be having issues



#178 Jamian

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Posted 25 July 2016 - 07:21 AM

Have you downloaded it? Try it from here



#179 Mister Snooze

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Posted 25 July 2016 - 09:38 AM

Have you downloaded it? Try it from here

Geez, Norton won't let me says it is a dangerous website, ugh



#180 Mister Snooze

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Posted 25 July 2016 - 12:02 PM

Here is my solution to the windows 10 problem - create a virtual window (free) and install windows 7 (about $100 for DVD's)

edit - this did not work


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