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[DCEnygma]

The graphics have a really neat style and the colors pop as most things on the WiiU seem to do. The gameplay looks fun and the ability to use different weapons and characters should lead to a lot of good experiences.

 

My issue is indeed with the fanservice. With a game like Hyrule Warriors, you aren't going to sell even one more copy because of the fact your antagonist has gigantic breasts that are barely contained in insanely impractical armor. But you're definitely going to push some people away. That to me makes is a bad decision.

[The Satellite]

To be fair, it's just one picture. I mean, sure, she's kinda wearing a skimpy outfit, but it's not really that much less than Midna's humanoid form. If we see it accentuated in gameplay and it jiggles and stuff, then okay, yeah, thanks Tecmo (that's sarcasm, just to be clear). However just its mere existence doesn't bug me, yet. 

 

And it still can't be as creepy as the N64 Great Fairies or combined Twinrova winking suggestively at you.

 

EDIT: Back to the actual game for a moment, here's a bunch of new awesome screenshots: http://www.gamecity....da/gallery.html

 

It's looking good. Really digging the knight outfit for Link. And Impa there... talk about a BFS.

[TheLegend_njf]

It's so very hard to stay on topic. 

 

 

I would actually argue that a discussion about the game's direction is very much 'on topic' in a topic about the very game that is being discussed. Everything does not have to be a heated argument over digital breasts, but in many ways discussing this might actually prove to be beneficial to more than one of us. I mean, this is a hot topic, not just here, but in the gaming industry in general. The way the general woman is being portrayed within the gaming medium often ends up being a worse problem than the Barbie doll itself. Seriously. I would even argue that this also goes for the male's representation in plenty of different mediums, but I also think that this is something that clearly affects the other party in a much bigger way (I wish I could say no pun intended and mean it at this point).

 

Right now, Zelda is no better. Listen, I don't plan to play this game, and I haven't been following it in any way. This is the first I've heard of these issues when it comes to this game, but it bothers me that people can just shrug it off as nothing. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there needs to be some kind of ban on this kind of visual representation of women, but it is still disrespectful. No, it is. There's no way to really defend this, but at the same time I really don't think Team Ninja is 'evil' or that they want to put bad thoughts into the minds of their audience. The problem here is that there is an audience that clearly demands this kind of stuff to begin with. They've hit a very specific niche, and they're not alone in doing so at all, but I don't judge them for not letting that source of income just fly out the window.

 

But this is still Zelda. Do we want this in a Zelda - any kind of Zelda? Listen, I get that Dynasty Warriors has a lot of fans and I don't doubt for a second that most of them play these games because they find them fun. I've never really gotten the impression that the Dynasty Warriors series is as bad as for example Dead or Alive, when it comes to this kind of stuff. And this does look to be mostly a Dynasty Warriors game, from the little I've seen from it. The Zelda element still just looks like a skinpack slapped onto one of the earlier titles. I don't really understand why this needs the Zelda brand, unless the rumors are true and this really is just a pat on the back for Wii U-owners hungry for a proper Zelda game. There's some speculation that we might not actually get such a game for quite a while, which does kind of hurt the Zelda-fan in me. Hopefully this will be proven wrong at E3.

 

Point is, I don't really have a huge problem with the fact that there is boobies in Hyrule Warriors, at least not in and of itself. I do think they could have kept themselves from doing so in a game that carries the Zelda banner though, especially considering the very wide spectrum of fans this franchise has. Zelda, that is. A lot of people will be put off by this, I think, and a lot of them might not see that before they get home from the store and load up the game.

 

I was joking....

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

I was joking....

I don't get it, but fair enough. Try to look past the fact that I quoted you, I wasn't trying to explain to you personally that you were wrong. I just used that as a jumping off point, but whatever.

[Haylee]

EDIT: Back to the actual game for a moment, here's a bunch of new awesome screenshots: http://www.gamecity....da/gallery.html

 

It's looking good. Really digging the knight outfit for Link. And Impa there... talk about a BFS.

Impa looks freaking awesome. I'm hoping Link's Green clothes can be swapped out for those knight clothes whenever they can, because those look badass.

[Tree]

Artwork for Hyrule Warriors...

 

I really hope this game is canon.

[NoeL]

I love Dynasty Warriors so I'm really looking forward to this.

Regarding the hawt bewbs... can people just cool their tits for a second (no pun intended)? I know the Warriors games tend to appeal to an older crowd but given it's a Zelda tie-in I agree the character design isn't really appropriate, but the whole "This is degrading to women!" thing is a bit much. There's nothing inherently wrong with the design, as there's a time and a place for everything (to be clear though, I don't think that time and place is this game), but it's not degrading to have a sexualised character in a game. I'm sure it'll turn some people off, but most people - and even most girls - won't have a problem with it, and will probably even enjoy it. The issue with sexism in gaming is how unbalanced the representation is: the sexualised:non-sexualised ratio is much higher among female characters, as well as the lack of female protagonists (or indeed non-good-looking-brown-haired-early-30s-white-male protagonists). The vile temptress archetype isn't degrading, it's just unoriginal. And they were perfectly conservative with Impas's design.

[Shane]

Wasn't the Goddess Statue on the surface before Hyrule was even established? If it's canon, it will go in the timeline most likely, and if it does, we have more (but this time obvious) timeline issues fans will rant on about and stuff claiming the canon timeline is even more wrong and theirs is more right and all that funny stuff.

 

So yeah, I know they said it isn't canon. Still I can not help but wonder.

Edited by Charizard, 23 May 2014 - 08:42 PM.

[Maleboocado]

There's nothing inherently wrong with the design, as there's a time and a place for everything (to be clear though, I don't think that time and place is this game), but it's not degrading to have a sexualised character in a game. I'm sure it'll turn some people off, but most people - and even most girls - won't have a problem with it, and will probably even enjoy it. The issue with sexism in gaming is how unbalanced the representation is: the sexualised:non-sexualised ratio is much higher among female characters, as well as the lack of female protagonists (or indeed non-good-looking-brown-haired-early-30s-white-male protagonists). The vile temptress archetype isn't degrading, it's just unoriginal. And they were perfectly conservative with Impas's design.

There's one problem with this: she's not a real character.

If she were a real woman who wants to dress like this... kudos to her. Seriously, I wouldn't be happier, because it would mean she has the courage and determination to use her image as she wants to. She would be reclaiming her body and sexuality for herself. In other words, she would be fighting against sexism and male privilege. But since this is a game, it means there's a reason why is she dressed with so few clothes. The game isn't being created by itself. And I don't think there's going to be a well written, complex, deep narrative in Hyrule Warriors to explain her "motives" to show so much cleavage. Even canonical Zelda games never had so much rich characters.

The issue here isn't that some male people like big boobs. You can like big boobs, small boobs, no boobs at all or women with penises. Or another completely thing. The issue here is that in our societies male people are being told thet can demand naked women because they know they'll receive naked women in one way or another. So male people like big boobs, let's make games with big boobs. Of course many people never notify this: I didn't for a long time, like there are so many other social issues I don't get it. Sexism isn't just a statictical problem ("so much women been sexualixed"), it has many invisible tentacles. The causes are hard to identify, but the consecuences are clear (physical, verbal and mental violence against women, being relegated to small profile jobs, and so on).

You cannot separate Hyrule Warriors from its cultural context and intended audience.

[Haylee]

I've discussed this with a few other people, and here's my two cents.

 

Nobody should be freaking out about the boobage character, it's just one character, as oppose to every other character that has been revealed so far. Yes, it's slightly sexist to make a character like this, but this is Team Ninja, we're talking about, the guys who made just about every single Dead or Alive girl. Yes, it's somewhat strange, but after about an hour, I got used to the fact that there's a lady with huge boobs in my upcoming Zelda game.

 

Really, what I'm trying to say is, this whole sexism thing is something you're freaking way too much about, and should probably be discussed in a different topic, because we saw it, discussed it a little bit, and went on to the other features of the game, and you keep derailing the topic by bringing it back up again, after we had already finished the discussion.

 

In other words, yes, we get it, there's a slight amount of sexism going on, but it's only one single character that has it at the moment, the only reason to bring it back up at any time is if they announce another character with the same problem as Shia.

 

Getting completely back on topic now, looking through the screenshots again, the game still looks incredibly awesome.

[Shane]

I'll say it again, there's plenty of other content to talk about here. Not just boobs.

[NoeL]

There's one problem with this: she's not a real character... And I don't think there's going to be a well written, complex, deep narrative in Hyrule Warriors to explain her "motives" to show so much cleavage. Even canonical Zelda games never had so much rich characters.

While that's most likely the case it's not something that should automatically be assumed. Also, a character doesn't need complex motives to get her tits out - I even mentioned the vile temptress ("femme fatale" would have been better) archetype. A character that chooses to influence others through seduction doesn't need much else to justify dressing her in revealing clothing. If I know my video games though I'd bet her sexy design only barely matches her character, and that she doesn't seduce anyone or justify her wardrobe in any other meaningful sense. Bad writing is bad. But hey, I'll wait and see before making judgements on the quality of her character - hopefully we're wrong!

I'll say it again, there's plenty of other content to talk about here. Not just boobs.

Noted.

I think Impa's sword is ridiculous, but that totally fits with Dynasty Warriors so sure. I'd prefer Link with a more muted palette though - it's all a bit too saturated for me.

And can anyone speak Japanese? I'd love to read more about the characters, particularly the enemies. See if "Valga" is related to Volvagia in some way (I guess the name and look kind of implies it, but specifics would be good) and if they list Shia's measurements. *shot*

[Shane]

Eldin Volcano/Death Mountain anyone?

 

The intro panels (here here and here) are a nice throwback to the WW visuals.

[Tree]

and if they list Shia's measurements. *shot*

They're at least double D's.

 

...ANYways, holy moly, those intro panels are as gorgeous as the first blooms of Spring.

[Shane]

Also it's been apparently confirmed that it is Cia, not Shia.

 

More information about characters, bosses, and E3 stuff:

http://www.zeldainfo...as#.U4B3ivmSzMs

Edited by Charizard, 24 May 2014 - 05:45 AM.