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[Russ]

Cloud computing and DRM I can understand, but still... let's compare the Xbox One to Steam. Steam saves save data and profiles and all that to a cloud. And it's got DRM to a certain degree. But it doesn't pitch a fit if you're not connected to the internet. I can understand Microsoft wanting the console to be connected as much as possible, but the sad truth is it's just not practical or possible for it to be, and mandating that it be connected constantly like this just shows that either they don't understand the situation or simply don't care.

[LinktheMaster]

Cloud computing and DRM I can understand, but still... let's compare the Xbox One to Steam. Steam saves save data and profiles and all that to a cloud. And it's got DRM to a certain degree. But it doesn't pitch a fit if you're not connected to the internet. I can understand Microsoft wanting the console to be connected as much as possible, but the sad truth is it's just not practical or possible for it to be, and mandating that it be connected constantly like this just shows that either they don't understand the situation or simply don't care.

Actually, for a long time, it did.  You could put it in offline mode... but you had to do that while online.  I think Valve finally fixed it after years of complaining from fans.  But, remember that Microsoft is pushing their Azure services unlike Steam.  They're pushing developers to use cloud computing for their games, so Microsoft probably needs to be at least reasonably sure that their customers have an internet connection to be able to sell it.

 

But, I don't mean to be harsh, but Microsoft is weighing a bunch of stuff here.  Honestly, the number of people without consistent, stable connections that would be interested in consoles is probably so small that Microsoft probably considers the support of 3rd party developers to be more important.  It may be a gamble, but they're probably betting that the support they get from developers to get more games on the system will probably ultimately outweigh the naysayers of the always online functionality.

 

Honestly, unless the system doesn't go over well right at launch, they're probably right.  Ultimately this little battle will all come down to money.  If people actually boycott the system because of these issues, Microsoft will almost undoubtedly drop them.  I wouldn't hold my breath though.  Most likely the system will sell really well at launch, and Microsoft will get too much money from it to care.

[Shane]

I heard the PS4 might also do the thing allowing publishers to deny the reselling of used games, so don't pin it all on Microsoft. The connection thing is dumb, but otherwise, it ain't just gonna be the Xbox One with the problems. Sheesh.

Oh, I never said the Xbox One is bad... I have no serious problems with it at all.  

 

I'm just hoping PS4 doesn't fall into the same unnecessary hate pit.

[DCEnygma]

The other thing is that at least Microsoft came out in this announcment and said that there is an expectation that people that purchase the Xbox One will have a stable broadband connection. They aren't trying to market this towards people without a solid internet connection. Regardless of whether you like that, at least they actually said it well in advance of the system coming out, that way people already know if they'll be able to use the system.

 

Also, I love how on the interwebs, Sony is now the great savior of video games, when they've remained completely silent. Love how people have seemingly forgotten the hacking incident a couple of years ago, the removal of key features that led to lawsuits, and the instability of their online servers. Regardless of what Xbox is doing... Sony doesn't exactly have the best track record of "doing the right thing" either.

 

I'm still undecided (although I may be leaning towards the Xbox One depending on their launch lineup and when they are coming out), but I sure do love my WiiU right now.

[Koh]

I don't see why it's necessary to try to get it at launch anyway.  Everyone knows how expensive these consoles are when they're first released; why not wait a year or two for the price to drop, as well as giving enough time for the console to build up a decent sized library, so you have a selection to go through for anything that interests you?

[DCEnygma]

It's not necessary. But that doesn't mean I don't want it. I will fully admit to always wanting to be on the cusp of new tech and hardware, so that's ultimatley what would drive me to buy one of these systems at launch. It doesn't really make logical sense, but that's just how I operate.

[Shane]

I'd buy it at lunch because it's a next generation console, I want to see next generation gaming ASAP. But I don't have the money sadly. I'm saving up for the upcoming Zelda games lol.

Edited by Shane, 07 June 2013 - 07:27 AM.

[Koh]

It's not necessary. But that doesn't mean I don't want it. I will fully admit to always wanting to be on the cusp of new tech and hardware, so that's ultimatley what would drive me to buy one of these systems at launch. It doesn't really make logical sense, but that's just how I operate.

I see XD.  I couldn't do it, even if it has something I want on it, like the PS3 did.  I still want 3D Dot Game Heroes, but I don't know of anything else I want on the console.  I'd rather not buy an entire console for just one, or a small handful of games.  I usually want a list of 10 games to get me set ona  console, but if I can get a minimum (or max depending on how you look at it) of 7, that'd be fine too.

 

It wouldn't bother me so much if the hardware didn't become obsolete so fast.  Like with PC gaming, the only thing that goes obsolete (besides OS, which is hardly a problem anyway, because XP gaming is still supported) is the processor/graphics combination.  If you're bad on either, the game runs sluggish on high settings and needs to be turned down.  But at least you can do that and still play the game.  Consoles don't operate that way at all, and it bugs me.  

 

So besides uninteresting me at this point in time, I also would rather see what kind of library this console would have before even buying it.  It'd be such a waste to get it now (not that I have the money to anyway), only to find out there aren't any games on it I want.  How much would that suck?  There goes over $200-$400...that could be like 10-20 PC games through Steam XP.

[DCEnygma]

Considering this console generation is either the longest or second longest ever, I'd expect the tech being obsolete isn't going to be a huge concern. Also, well over 90% of games (I'd imagine, I don't have hard data) don't have issue running on the console's hardware. That's the big advantage to that. Everyone is on the exact same playing field as far as system performance is concerned. That's actuall what I specifically like about consoles.

[MaximusFred]

I heard you have to install every game disc on the Xbox One.

 

I own a Xbox 360 with 20 GB. I hate to install games. Why shipping a Xbox One then, with a HDD of only 500 GB? 1 TB should be standard nowadays..

[Nicholas Steel]

2TB should be standard, should have been standard about 3 years ago. Thankfully PS3 lets you use any HDD you want so long as it fits/has right connector.

[NoeL]

I heard you have to install every game disc on the Xbox One.

 

I own a Xbox 360 with 20 GB. I hate to install games. Why shipping a Xbox One then, with a HDD of only 500 GB? 1 TB should be standard nowadays..

Yeah, I think it's because the optical drive can't read data directly off a disc fast enough. We all remember those horrible load times and noisy disc drives, right?

 

But yeah, the hard drive is much too small for this.

[Russ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzmVcasl3ZU

 

Their PR sure is doing a fantastic job with all this.

[Dawnlight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzmVcasl3ZU

 

Their PR sure is doing a fantastic job with all this.

Microsoft makes the stupidest justifications. Remember what they said regarding the lack of exclusive games? They say its fundamental to make Xbox 360 the place to play all your games despite PC being the best platform for playing multiplats.

Edited by Dawnlight, 12 June 2013 - 06:11 AM.

[Ventus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzmVcasl3ZU

That is one of the worst bullshit statements I've ever heard. So far everything they say is digging them self's deeper into a hole.