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[captainbozo]

I've been pacing in circles forever in Marui, and the solution to this puzzle escapes me...

 

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I cannot get this key for the life of me. I have searched everywhere I know to search, and I can't find how to get on that upper ledge... I must be missing something. I got the other key from the east wing, and a sweet candelabra... Hints would be appreciated 

[Deedee]

Does anyone know how to break the barrier at the top of the tower of Seline?

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Explore the right eye...

 

I've been pacing in circles forever in Marui, and the solution to this puzzle escapes me...

 

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I cannot get this key for the life of me. I have searched everywhere I know to search, and I can't find how to get on that upper ledge... I must be missing something. I got the other key from the east wing, and a sweet candelabra... Hints would be appreciated 

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You may need to come from the lower room...

Edited by Dimentio, 30 December 2016 - 11:58 PM.

[captainbozo]

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You may need to come from the lower room...

 

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That's what I figured... but I can't seem to enter it? It seems to be a one-way shutter, and the buttons are on the columns at the entrance. If there's a way to hit those buttons I sure can't figure it out. I'll continue to work at it, though. I'm getting a TON of extras by just wandering around that area haha <3

 

EDIT: ...EXCEPT NOW THE LADDER WORKS? I tried that a bunch... groan. Ah well, now I can continue <3

Edited by captainbozo, 31 December 2016 - 12:14 AM.

[Dockside2012]

I've been pacing in circles forever in Marui, and the solution to this puzzle escapes me...

 

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I cannot get this key for the life of me. I have searched everywhere I know to search, and I can't find how to get on that upper ledge... I must be missing something. I got the other key from the east wing, and a sweet candelabra... Hints would be appreciated 

I had a lot of trouble with this myself, but eventually I figured it out. First, have Link stay at the switch surrounded by the blue-colored blocks. Then, with Zelda alone, travel to the room just south of this room. The switch in the bottom right corner lowers the north wall. To get to the switch, push the block all the way south on the same row of the switch. Then whatever column that block is on, stand one column left of it and play the song that summons a whirlwind; if you haven't learned it, you can learn it by reading a sign at the same area of the bomb shop located a little bit northwest of the same town you found your sword. The whirlwind should travel south. Use it to warp to the left side of the block and push it to the switch. Always remember, those blocks that look like the ones surrounding the key in your screenshot, blocks EVERYTHING INCLUDING WHIRLWINDS!

[ML1014]

Ok, I finished the bottom half of Seline. I'm at the top of the tower and went into the right eye. But I can't advance past that first room. Is there a way to lower the water or am I missing something else?

[Deedee]

Ok, I finished the bottom half of Seline. I'm at the top of the tower and went into the right eye. But I can't advance past that first room. Is there a way to lower the water or am I missing something else?

 

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You should have 2 items from the bottom of the tower. Try one of those.

[ShadowTiger]

Okay, so, on Calatia 031, what's the point of that little array of  pits and ladders in the corner there leading downward?

 

Then, where is the song of Winds, anyway.

[Monkey D. Ganon]

Hi!

 

I am in Hyrule right now and the old woman of the Zelda temple tells me that "Link is in the tower".

Does she refer to the Tower of Seline or the Zelda temple of Hyrule where the old woman is ?

(I don't know where I can find Link again...)

[Alucard648]

Hi!

 

I am in Hyrule right now and the old woman of the Zelda temple tells me that "Link is in the tower".

Does she refer to the Tower of Seline or the Zelda temple of Hyrule where the old woman is ?

(I don't know where I can find Link again...)

Check the original starting palace from Z2.

[Mitsukara]

Does anyone know how to break the barrier at the top of the tower of Seline?

Specifically, you have to...

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Get to the upper-right corner of the Right Eye entrance, where you fight a Fire Manhandla to open the barrier.

 

...EXCEPT NOW THE LADDER WORKS? I tried that a bunch... groan.

Aw man, the ladder sensitivity goofed up? I'm sorry. I think you usually need to be right up against the wall with the ladder when you place it.. such are the hazards of a manually-placed ladder, I suppose. Still, I probably should've scripted it's sensitivity a little better somehow. : (

 

and play the song that summons a whirlwind;

...part of the joy of this quest for me is that people can keep finding solutions different than the ones I had in mind. You have made me happy : ) My method was:

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1. In the first room, use the ladder and the somaria block to open the door to the left.
2. In the room with the Gibo and the map, climb up with the ladder and push the block onto the switch by seperating characters to get it pushed the right way, and then go north.
3. Go north and leave one character on the button. Make sure the orange blocks are down.
4. Other character backtracks to the first room, then goes on the up-left path with the orange blocks. Use the cane of somaria to keep the door open and go west.
5. Now that both characters are in the same room again, have the one up on the ledge hit the switch to lower the blue blocks.
6. Have both characters stand on the switches to open the key.

...when I put it that way it sounds pretty complicated, though.
 

 

Is there a way to lower the water or am I missing something else?

It sounds like you're missing the item from...

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the lower-right corner of the first floor. You have to solve a couple different puzzles to get Link and Zelda onto opposite sides of a room with a blue armos and some ice in it down there; Impa will give you a hint about what order to proceed and separate in, in a room with spinner tracks.

 

Okay, so, on Calatia 031, what's the point of that little array of  pits and ladders in the corner there leading downward?

That's actually just scenery that I never thought through all that well and didn't make good use of for a puzzle, and nobody asked about until now. The idea was...

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There's a destroyed old house up on the hill, and that destroyed path is meant to be how they reached the house back then.

 

Then, where is the song of Winds, anyway.

It's behind the big rock by the bomb shop (use a superbomb on the rock to read the sign).

 

the old woman of the Zelda temple tells me that "Link is in the tower".

Oh, that is a confusing way I phrased that. You want to keep exploring that same temple, which is known as the "North Palace". As Alucard says, it's the starting location from Zelda II.

Edited by Mitsukara, 31 December 2016 - 10:54 AM.

[ShadowTiger]

Aha, thanks for that.  I got that Song of Winds on my first playthrough, but didn't think anything of it at first and forgot to get it again on my second when using the right version.

 

I don't suppose that's how you bypass the second from the top leftmost screen in the "Right Eye" is it?  the one with the lava on the floor and the single pushable block in the upper right corner of the screen?

EDIT:  Nah, I put a block of Somaria into the lava, then threw a ladder down there and jumped off of that.

[naal]

I Need help in Miyahon? I have the big key, flute and the shooter. I'm missing the map, compass, and probably something else.

[ML1014]

Excellent quest! Love the creativity! The challenge level is fair. There are a few times when I've gotten frustrated and almost wanted to quit but it's too addicting! lol. The puzzles are a bit mysterious sometimes but never TOO frustrating...maybe I haven't gotten far enough yet...ha!  And away we goooo.....

[Mitsukara]

I am submitting a small "version 1.1" update to the quest. It should be up once it has been approved.

This update should work properly with old save files, if you switch out the new quest file for the old one. However, I do recommend making a backup copy of zc.sav and the old version of the quest just in case I'm mistaken.

The main Support Pack file has not been updated, so you don't need to get it again. However, you can find a couple of slightly-updated files for it in this Support Pack patch.
(It's just one extra seashell location, and some updated scripts.)

The quest update has two very minor postgame additions (no significant content has been added):

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1. A previously-unused room, which allowed easy access to all five minigames (just for fun), has been updated and made accessible. It's just a quicker way to access each minigame, instead of needing to go to the different towns.
2. Two shops have been added to the post-game area, where you can increase/decrease your heart containers and magic containers, along with a very minor story detail if you try to talk to the people in the shop.

The following bugs are fixed:

• Bomb flowers no longer do so much damage to Link (when set off on the ground by weapons), which previously could result in early game insta-death. They also insta-kill Girubokku as intended now.
• It is not possible to leave the Spikes of Doom bonus area by continuing from the final room (such as if you've completed it, or died during the last portion). You can re-enter it afterwards, but only from the intro sequence.
• The experience-altering, sound effect-making debug features in the seashell mansion have been turned off. (If you want to cheat to gain levels near-instantly, you can still use the LAZDEBUG mode, or warp to the post-game area early with level 4 cheats.)
• Removed an additional debug feature that let you level up anywhere in the world by holding Ex2, Ex3, and Ex4 at the same time.
• Fixed the non-appearing seashell Alucard noticed.
• Fixed the text box positions on the guard in Caragonne and Impa's message at the end of Miyahon, which were in the opposite high/low positions from what I intended.

The following bugs are not fixed:

• Possible ZC crash during "Wavy screen" visual effects on some computers (this is a ZC 2.50.2 bug that will be fixed for future releases by the ZC developers). However, there may also be something else undetermined wrong with the "Prelude of Light" warp song besides the wavy effect? Saving your game before using the Prelude of Light song is advised.
• Wrong combo solidity bugs (these are in 2.50.3RC1 and some other betas, but do not occur in 2.50.2 or the more recent betas; this was due to a ZScript change backwards compatibility issue that has since been fixed by the ZC developers.)
• A bug one player encountered with continuing on the wrong screen in Marui palace (one screen north of the main entrance), because I have been unable to recreate or determine the cause of that bug. Sorry!
• Possible higher lag than most ZC quests (my Global Script is very long and busy, and inefficient in some ways). More likely to occur on older computers like mine. Especially with high numbers of enemies/weapons on the screen.
• If Link is charging his sword in certain rooms that reset on a timer, his sword may remain in place, detached from him. (This is a ZC bug with the "Sprites Carry Over During Warps" feature, that may be fixed in future versions.)
• Possible "rainbow death crashes" as encountered by NewJourneysFire during his video of the LaZPoC Expo demo (these are a ZC bug on certain computers that have a small chance of occurring in many different quests, and I don't know what the current developer status on it is. It might be fixed in future ZC versions, because I think I heard something about it having to do with outdated Allegro software that they were trying to update to a newer version of Allegro? But I'm not sure. I've never encountered the bug, so I think it depends on particular computer systems.)
• The Unira Boss may appear to react to bombs, but it's defense settings are to block bombs. This appears to be some kind of ZC bug I'm not sure how to fix.

The following are either things I don't consider bugs, or deliberately chose to leave the same:

• Tunkrads are only vulnerable to the front, and only from arrows and a few other weapons.
• Every weird thing documented in the "Item Trickery" and exploit guides, as those are all deliberate or semi-deliberate.
• The raft music will continue playing on land if you F6 while on the raft, until you get off the raft normally. (I kinda like this bug, so I left it in.)
• The town music in Calatia will continue playing in the rest of the overworld if you manage to leave the town in an unusual way. (Ditto.)
• 7 Grand Dad Mode may play the regular Hyrule music after a certain story event, temporarily, instead of it's special Mario music. (Likewise, the general sketchiness of 7 Grand Dad mode is unchanged.)
• Mickey and Minnie change size a little bit during the ambush cutscene.
• Error mode is error.

 

Now, to answer some questions:
 

I Need help in Miyahon? I have the big key, flute and the shooter. I'm missing the map, compass, and probably something else.

The map is in the room that's...

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one north of the entrance, if you defeat all the keese.

The compass is in the room with the...

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three "Coppie" enemies. You have to get the wosu to press the switch in the room north of it, by toggling the red/blue blocks with timing that allows him to pass.

You also need to find Sprite the Fairy, who is basically the other 'item' of the dungeon. To do that...

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From the entrance, head north three rooms, then west to where there's a beamos. Bomb the south wall, then proceed two rooms to the south. Beat the enemies to get a key, then go east to the entrance room, where you can get that treasure chest.

And away we goooo.....

Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it : ) It does get pretty rough at the end though, in the final dungeon. I put a bunch of explanations for that dungeon (and a few for others) in the Secret Guides section of the Support Pack, just in case anyone starts to feel like ragequitting in the eleventh hour.

Edited by Mitsukara, 31 December 2016 - 02:45 PM.

[Aussie Riolu]

So the Soejima boss. I dropped the Armos that's outside the dungeon but it didn't drop into the boss room, instead in a room where it has no use. Unless there's another I'm not finding. Also how to I hit this switch? The beetle doesn't go far enough.