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[Air Luigi]

In a quest like Yeto's Quest or a quest by Freedom, I would see for these type of clues for sure =P Here, no, I was totally relaxed. The questmaker sets the mindset. I always think differently depending of the questmaker style (It's one of the reasons why I always go back to ZC and I like to try new questmakers)

[Air Luigi]

Done:

 

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Great work

Edited by Air Luigi, 25 January 2017 - 12:06 AM.

[Orithan]

With some help from Russ, I managed to discover the fourth tier of secret unlockable characters in the game. Because they are supposed to be so secret, I'm not going to give you any hints, other than what Aevin mentioned here

[CimFighter]

Hey guys it's me Michael formerly SoStaci/MermaidCim. I lost the login info for my account so I had to make a new one.

 

Im really stuck on this quest. Where do I find the fire and purple circle spells? I been feverishly looking for them everywhere. Im playing as Jandra and I cant find the boss to open the red blocks

[Russ]

To open the red blocks, you'll wanna head right from the start, to Hall of Watchers, get the Light spell from that area, and head into the Poison Corridor. From there, you need to head up (which requires a key, just sitting out in the open) to Hikoridoki. In that area, if you go south first to get two keys, then head north, you should be able to get a spell called Halt. Taking Halt back to Poison Corridor and going past the area's other lock block, there's a room where you can use Halt to slip by a flame trap. You'll get Poison there. Using Poison in the room near the bottom left of Poison Corridor will let you in to another dungeon. Defeating the boss there will open the red blocks. Alternatively, in Hikoridoki, if you go left from the screen with Halt, then up, you can get Thunder, which will also get you past that room (but it's guarded by pretty tough elementals). If the directions aren't clear enough, lemme know and I can clarify.

Regarding your old account, I can change your login information so you can get it back. Is it your password that you lost, or your email? I can change either one. Just PM the details.

[CimFighter]

To open the red blocks, you'll wanna head right from the start, to Hall of Watchers, get the Light spell from that area, and head into the Poison Corridor. From there, you need to head up (which requires a key, just sitting out in the open) to Hikoridoki. In that area, if you go south first to get two keys, then head north, you should be able to get a spell called Halt. Taking Halt back to Poison Corridor and going past the area's other lock block, there's a room where you can use Halt to slip by a flame trap. You'll get Poison there. Using Poison in the room near the bottom left of Poison Corridor will let you in to another dungeon. Defeating the boss there will open the red blocks. Alternatively, in Hikoridoki, if you go left from the screen with Halt, then up, you can get Thunder, which will also get you past that room (but it's guarded by pretty tough elementals). If the directions aren't clear enough, lemme know and I can clarify.

Regarding your old account, I can change your login information so you can get it back. Is it your password that you lost, or your email? I can change either one. Just PM the details.

 

Okay well I see these green orbs and I dont know which spell opens them..

There's the same 4 green orbs in a rectangle pattern in Techno Zone I cant get past, and the Sky area is frustrating me like crazy.

 

also these

 

Same orb  I think once I find the fire and purple spells I should be able to get through this

 

Edited by CimFighter, 31 January 2017 - 12:07 PM.

[Russ]

Oh, THOSE blocks. Have you found Metal Blade yet? It's just right of the entrance to Phlegethon, though it requires a key you can find right and up from the entrance. Dropping a metal blade on each of the green switches in that top room will open the path.

[CimFighter]

It worked, tysm. I feel I got this now.

 

now about those 4 rectangular green orbs in techno zone....tried metal blade but didnt work (EDIT, I found it nvm) I got this

Edited by CimFighter, 31 January 2017 - 09:47 PM.

[Anthus]

Very unique and fun quest so far.

Where should I be headed after the plant boss? I'm playing as Jack from the quiz btw.

[Orithan]

Killing the plant boss has removed the thorns from the area it was in, opening up new pathways. You should explore these pathways next.

[Anthus]

Thanks. This quest is no slouch in difficulty either. I'm playing on relaxed after getting annoyed with normal

I plan on getting normal once I know the quest better.

[Anthus]

This quest is definitely something else. I feel I'm about a 3rd or so into it, and I am enjoying it. I'm playing as Jack, as picked by the quiz. The new spells are unique and fun to use, and the enemy design is very fresh and original. This is a good quest cause it makes you wonder what is scripted, and what isn't. It blurs the line. I'm planning on making a full review at some point, but here are the highs so far:

• The Map system is really well done. I'd like to be able to see the actual screens, but kudos on getting a legit Super Metroid/ Castlevania map style going.
• The music is really well picked. Each song fits the area, and adds to the mood created by the fully custom tileset (which is something you don't see a ton of).
• This isn't really a point, but an observation; this quest is just oozing with effort. You can tell Aevin really put a lot of heart, and time into this.
• The sand puzzles in Jupiter Ruins were really cool, and fun. I've never seen anything like that in ZC, and it was definitely a fun gimmick
• The moving platforms in Stomach are also really cool. I've actually done something very similar, but without scripts, it is a lot of work to set up with combo cycling. Good job here.

I do have a few minor complaints though, so far, but it's nothing too serious. 

• This is a complete personal preference, and does not reflect on the quality of the quest at all, but I find all of the talking to be boring. Please, don't get the wrong idea though, it's not bad, I just don't care for so much dialogue in mah ZC.
• Dying (which you will be doing a lot of) can set you back. Not too much, but the volume of death counts compacted by the rooms where you have to kill enemies again and again can really get old fast. This is the case in Z1, and in a lot of ZC quests, so I can understand, but it is still a minor annoyance.

 

I have a few questions for the creator of the quest. Do not feel obligated to answer any of these.

• What was your biggest inspiration for making Yuurei?
• How long did the quest take to build, from the scripts, to the tileset, to the dialogue, to putting it all together?
• What was the most challenging part of making this quest?
• What part of making the quest did you enjoy the most?
• Was there ever a point where you doubted finishing it? How did you overcome, if so?
• How many different people actually worked on the Quest?
• What does Yuurei even mean?
• If you could have done anything differently, what would it be?
• Sand-crocs. Why? WHY?!!?!?! (But it sure beats Like-likes with rope movement )
• Would you be willing to post the entire game's map? (Privately, obviously, cause I'm a massive nerd for that kind of stuff. I wanna see how all the areas fit together. I don't blame you if you don't though, no pressure.)

 

All in all, some real good stuff here. Thanks for taking the time to answer any of these questions.

 

 

EDIT: Sorry for the double post, I didn't even look.

[Aevin]

Oh boy, an interview! I'm glad that you're enjoying the quest, and I hope that you continue to have fun. Of course I'll answer the questions! It's not every day that people have so much of an interest in the making of the quest, so it's my pleasure.

 

Questions

What was your biggest inspiration for making Yuurei?

Metroid games certainly had an impact, but probably the biggest single game inspiration comes from an NES game called Legacy of the Wizard, a Metroidvania platformer with similar world design and aesthetic. After Hitodama, I realized I had more ideas and wanted to do better, incorporating more characters from my old story.

 

How long did the quest take to build, from the scripts, to the tileset, to the dialogue, to putting it all together?

I think it took about two years, off and on, overall. The base for the tileset was made over a few months for Hitodama, but I added A LOT of new tiles for Yuurei. The level design was actually one of the least time-consuming parts, but the scripts ... Man, my script file is massive! Over 200 ffc scripts, and a file of about 40,000 lines! All the various scripting is the stuff that clearly took the most time.

 

What was the most challenging part of making this quest?

For me, the boss scripting is probably the most challenging part. I'm slow at it and it always feels really time consuming and sometimes frustrating.

 

What part of making the quest did you enjoy the most?

Probably the item scripts. Whenever I made a new item, I would usually start testing it and then get so caught up with playing around with it that I'd waste a bunch of time. Metal Blade, Halt and a certain secret spell that showed up in the Superlatives are the biggest offenders here.

 

Was there ever a point where you doubted finishing it? How did you overcome, if so?

Probably the roughest period there was when the Labyrinth was about 2/3 finished and I was working on the tier 2 bosses. I'd struggle and put down the quest for long periods of time. But even then, I don't think I doubted I'd finish for long. I always tended to get interested in something in the quest and come back before long.

 

How many different people actually worked on the Quest?

The main game is mostly my own work, with a few scripts from other people. The map system was made by Moosh, and Moosh, Evan and Russ all produced a final boss in addition to my own. After the main game, they really helped me flesh out some bonus content, too. So, while the majority of the quest is my work, I owe a real debt of gratitude to these guys for the care and work they put into making it a much better game.

 

What does Yuurei even mean?

Yuurei is the Japanese word for "ghost." While it can be used generally to refer to all ghosts, it also can refer to a specific type of ghost from Japanese folklore, usually pale women with wild, overgrown hair. The girl from the Ring is an example of this. I sort of hijacked the word to serve my own ends here, though ...

 

If you could have done anything differently, what would it be?

That's actually a tricky question ... I tried hard to make sure I had everything like I wanted it, and if there's something that isn't the way I want it to be, I just fix it! So I don't have a whole lot of regrets. There's two particular optional boss fights that I wish I'd put a lot of care into balancing before release, and a serious bug with another boss slipped through initially ... so maybe I should have tested those late additions more thoroughly before release.

 

Sand-crocs. Why? WHY?!!?!?! (But it sure beats Like-likes with rope movement )

You're not the only one who objects to those guys. They seem to be one of the most challenging and hated enemies in the quest, which I find kinda surprising 'cause I like the guys. I've watched enough players to see why they get frustrated, though, so I do understand it.

 

Would you be willing to post the entire game's map?

Here it is. I don't think it's a huge secret or anything, but if you haven't finished yet you might want to wait to have a look, since it obviously contains area spoilers.

I hope nothing in there came across as egocentric. Thanks so much for the interest. And thanks a lot for playing!

[Anthus]

I hope nothing in there came across as egocentric. Thanks so much for the interest. And thanks a lot for playing!

 

Not at all, thank you for your answers. Thanks for sharing the map too. I don't really care about spoilers (but the map doesn't spoil the story anyway) so that will help me if I get stuck, or forget where a certain room was. ALBW shows you the entire game's overworld from the start, so I'm used to it lol 

 

 

Edit: Are the red blocks supposed to disappear after you fight the girl in Phlegethon?

 

Here is where I've been so far. I'm not sure exactly where to go cause there seems to be a dead end at each way I've gone.

Here are all of the spells I have so far:

 

I feel like I should be looking in Techno Zone, or the green area before Stomach, but I dunno. There's a blue tube I can't pass in Techno, and blue blocks I can't pass in the green area, and I can't seem to get very far into Stomach, but I see that there is another entrance. Thanks.

 

I found a new path in Lethe. I think I'm back on track.

[Anthus]

I'm in the home stretch

Spoiler

Before I enter what I'm assuming is the final area, could someone tell me how to get the coin in the rose garden (upper-right area), and the life upgrade in the lac d'amour? There are pink/ purple blocks in the rose garden that seem all but indestructible. I just beat Naiya at the lake, so I haven't gone back to see if the blocks have moved. The life upgrade I'm looking for is just to the right of where you fight her. I've dove on every water tile on that screen, and can't find it. Normally, I'll just blast a screen with Thunder till stuff appears, but there's some stuff that is pretty well hidden. Hm. Thanks again.

 

EDIT: Is there any significance to the colors of the coins? Does it have to do with what kind of elemental upgrades you get upon collecting 10 of them?