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[Yloh]

I did it!!!!!!!!!

[Russ]

Congratulations! Your reward is a really fun character and a notice that, despite that ostensibly being the second hardest fight in the game, there's all sorts of ways to make life even more painful from here!

[Evan20000]

I hope you found the final phase as hilarious as I did.

Spoiler

Now do it without beating any of the main 6 labyrinth bosses that decrease the master's capabilities on death if you're ready to fly too close to the sun!

[Yloh]

Looking back at different fourms of this game there was a video for Yuurand 5.0. In that trailer, there was a new character announcment, Tyrant Vanice.

Russ said you can achieve a special password in Reikon to unlock her. I assume that is the origional Reikon game and not the Reikon map in Yuurand.

Is playing the origional Reikon game the only way to get the password, or is there now a way to unlocked her in version 7.0?

This is interesting timing because I bumped into Flect at the house and she is requesting me to kill Vanice. On the topic of the house, how in the world do you bounce like a bouncy ball enemy? I tried to use float and press it many times to make it look like I was bouncing.

I already posted it in discord, but the game teased the ultimate super boss to me. It was during my playthrough with Hera. There was no fight against Tartaros that time. The story was him warning of a great consuming force that will be released into the whole world. Tartaros was consumed in the end and the game showed a mysterious man in crimson red. I hope the game makes it clear on what I need to do to challenge him. For now, I will just enjoy the ride.

Also, with a less overpowered character, I defeated the enhansed version of Tartaros. In other words, I actually has to learn how to fight him. He was indeed difficult, but not as difficult as Venser.

I've completed all 8 maps plus a run on fragmented. I'm currently trying the custom maps now. A little bit over half of the achievements unlocked now, but those are simple ones that just require you to play the game. Sometime in the near future, I would like to play multiplayer to unlock that achievement. Discord should be the perfect place to ask someone.

Let's just say that this game has been a terrific experience do far. Dimi baited me into playing this quest because of an ultra super boss, but the quest has hooked me with all of its well developed characters. This quest is a museum of Zelda Class origional characters.

Edited by Yloh, 13 January 2022 - 12:35 AM.

[Orithan]

Looking back at different fourms of this game there was a video for Yuurand 5.0. In that trailer, there was a new character announcment, Tyrant Vanice.

Russ said you can achieve a special password in Reikon to unlock her. I assume that is the origional Reikon game and not the Reikon map in Yuurand.

Is playing the origional Reikon game the only way to get the password, or is there now a way to unlocked her in version 7.0?

This is interesting timing because I bumped into Flect at the house and she is requesting me to kill Vanice. On the topic of the house, how in the world do you bounce like a bouncy ball enemy? I tried to use float and press it many times to make it look like I was bouncing.

I already posted it in discord, but the game teased the ultimate super boss to me. It was during my playthrough with Hera. There was no fight against Tartaros that time. The story was him warning of a great consuming force that will be released into the whole world. Tartaros was consumed in the end and the game showed a mysterious man in crimson red. I hope the game makes it clear on what I need to do to challenge him. For now, I will just enjoy the ride.

Also, with a less overpowered character, I defeated the enhansed version of Tartaros. In other words, I actually has to learn how to fight him. He was indeed difficult, but not as difficult as Venser.

I've completed all 8 maps plus a run on fragmented. I'm currently trying the custom maps now. A little bit over half of the achievements unlocked now, but those are simple ones that just require you to play the game. Sometime in the near future, I would like to play multiplayer to unlock that achievement. Discord should be the perfect place to ask someone.

Let's just say that this game has been a terrific experience do far. Dimi baited me into playing this quest because of an ultra super boss, but the quest has hooked me with all of its well developed characters. This quest is a museum of Zelda Class origional characters.

You need to defeat Tyrant Vanice in Reikon to obtain the password needed to unlock Vanice in Yuurand. AFIAK she does not give you the password if you defeat her in Yuurand.

On how to bounce:
You have to be playing a specific character to do this sidequest. You'll have unlocked them, they have a specific signature that allows them to bounce when used creatively.

As for that...

Spoiler

Clear Sadistic and continue making runs. It will make sense with time.

Edited by Orithan, 13 January 2022 - 02:00 AM.

[Russ]

Let's just say that this game has been a terrific experience do far. Dimi baited me into playing this quest because of an ultra super boss, but the quest has hooked me with all of its well developed characters. This quest is a museum of Zelda Class origional characters.

I'm really happy to hear this! I think of the quest as being similar to Smash Bros in that regard. There's a lot of characters I learned about and grew to love there before playing their original games, and I'm really glad Yuurand can be a similar experience for our little community.

Is playing the origional Reikon game the only way to get the password, or is there now a way to unlocked her in version 7.0?

Like Orithan said, you've gotta play Reikon itself. She's that game's Evan-made superboss. She's also very fun.

As for the bouncing and THAT THING, Orithan's hints will suffice there.

Also, with a less overpowered character, I defeated the enhansed version of Tartaros. In other words, I actually has to learn how to fight him. He was indeed difficult, but not as difficult as Venser.

Yeah, I think he's a sufficiently difficult boss when you're not cheesing him. Unfortunately, he's been in the game since 1.0, while Pall and Venser were added in 7.0, which means a whole lot of ways to cheese him (mainly characters who don't get jinxed by his attacks properly or characters with absurd burst damage) have crept in to the game. We're hoping that, with the update Evan's working on, he'll be in a good spot. The idea is for him to not be as difficult as Venser (kind of funny how those two flipped in difficulty from IoR), but to still be challenging.

I've completed all 8 maps plus a run on fragmented.

Out of curiosity, which map's your favorite? Least favorite?

A little bit over half of the achievements unlocked now, but those are simple ones that just require you to play the game. Sometime in the near future, I would like to play multiplayer to unlock that achievement. Discord should be the perfect place to ask someone.

Congrats on making such good progress! I hope you enjoy multiplayer!

[Yloh]

As for that...

Spoiler

Clear Sadistic and continue making runs. It will make sense with time.

 

Spoiler

Do I only need to clear Sadistic once, or do I have to continue making Sadistic runs? From your sentence, it seems like I only need to clear a Sadistic run only once and I can make other runs on other difficulties. Clearing a Sadistic run is on my todo list anyways.

 

The environments that gave me the most enjoyment were the outside areas. Good music also played a huge factor in my enjoyment. Lifted fulfilled both of those the most, and that map made me feel like I was truly on an adventure. Soltice would probably come in second in those categories, and Living as would probably be my third. Schrodinger has my favorite final boss area.

 

When I point out my least favorite map, it doesn't mean that map had any glaring flaws. I did Yuurei last, and it seemed dull when compared to the other maps. It was fun to experience a remix of previous areas, and I understand Yuurei is the original map. Reikon rustled my jimmies the most trying to figure it out. The description is totally accurate about it being a difficult map. With that said, it did have my favorite Sky area because that music was jamming. Neon Corridor was one of my favorite areas out of all of the maps. I did think it was really cool to go to different areas to unlock parts of previous areas. 

[DarkFlameSheep]

Yloh, I recommend to complete a Sadistic run as soon as possible if you didn' complete it, yet.

Spoiler

I needed to do many runs to understand importance of the rewards of Sadistic run...

 

Edited by DarkFlameSheep, 14 January 2022 - 11:12 PM.

[Russ]

Spoiler

Do I only need to clear Sadistic once, or do I have to continue making Sadistic runs? From your sentence, it seems like I only need to clear a Sadistic run only once and I can make other runs on other difficulties. Clearing a Sadistic run is on my todo list anyways.

Spoiler

Yes and no. Clearing it once will unlock an achievement that will change something subtle. From there, clearing more runs will slowly give you an idea as to what you need to do.

[Yloh]

I'd also recommend playing a run on difficult before normal, as a lot of the enemy behaviours somewhat build on each other. Sadistic is... well, quite tough, and not something I'd recommend for a first time run of any of the labyrinths (I'm one of the co-creators and I find it difficult to play on at times, especially on fragmented). As you said, Yuurand is a big quest, and the iceberg of difficult content goes quite deep. When phrases like "NBD TE Low% SadRogue" starting making sense to you, you know you've fallen deep down the rabbit hole.

Spoiler

From the beginning, I figured out what Low% and SadRogue meant. Phrases like NBD and TE are still a mystery to me. What kind of frightens me is SadRogue. Will I eventually have to clear a rogue like run on sadistic just to unlock the ultra super boss?

Edit

I know that I'm prying for a lot information in this regard. While I am truly enjoying my experience with this game, it is a huge time investment. Dimi told me at the beginning that a lot of people know about the boss, but haven't even challenged him because the requirements to unlock him are THAT hard. My reputation of being a highly skilled gamer is partially my fault. I am a showboat and I do play video games to conquer a challenge. In reality, my skills are not that great; I'm just very tenacious.

Fighting super bosses in video games is one of my favorite things to do, and I'm willing to invest the time to unlock them. My skills at this game has increased significantly since last month, so sadistic may not be as bad as my first impressions. Understanding the spells and their usefulness really helps. Still though, I don't think I will have the skills nor the patience to do a rogue like run on sadistic.

In short, I don't want to spend 50 hours to learn that I'm expect to do a SadRogue run. To be honest, it is difficult for me to imagine anybody doing a SadRogue run. After saying that, I wouldn't be surprised of multiple people came out saying they did a SadRogue run.

I understand that the game will let me know what is required of me as I do more runs after completing my first sadistic run. It is easy to imagine some of those requirements being very onerous. Like fighting the master of the dungeon without killing the six bosses on sadistic. A rogue like run is different. I can die at a boss and/or part 100s of times and still persist, but attempting a whole run over and over again is where my limit is at.

Knowing this ahead of time would really put my mind at ease.

Edited by Yloh, 14 January 2022 - 02:13 PM.

[Russ]

Spoiler

To address the first point, NBD stands for "No Bosses Down". As I'm sure you know, the boss at the end of the labyrinth is harder the more bosses are alive, dealing more damage, having more HP, blocking enhance/power boost, and resisting certain elements. NBD simple means fighting the boss without any of the six dead. The boosts also applies to Pall, Tartaros, and Venser, the latter of two have other changes if fought NBD. You don't need to ever do NBD + sadistic for any unlocks. There's one character for beating any end-Labyrinth boss NBD, plus special costumes for beating Tartaros and Venser NBD. All those can be done at any difficulty, and TE/RC are not requirements. To jump into that, TE stands for Total Eclipse, Stan's superboss mode (similar, EN stands for Eternal Nightmare, Pall's superboss mode, while RC stands for Reality Collapse, Venser's equivalent).

 

To put your mind at easy, rogue like is absolutely not requiring to fight this boss. SadRogue is very difficult. To my knowledge, something like 5 people have done it. While the exact requirements for reaching the boss are hinted at once you've beaten a sadistic run and keep playing, the general gist is just that you need to play on sadistic and play well to reach him.

[Evan20000]

Spoiler

You will soon appreciate that the requirements for even seeing the boss are to protect you from horror before you're ready for it.

[Yloh]

Spoiler

Thanks for letting me know that doing the absolute most difficult things possible in the game are not required to unlock any achievements and super boss. Those thoughts leget had me quite intimidated and had me thinking about giving up (on trying to fight the super boss) before dispare. Time will tell if I will be able to do the requirements to unlock the super boss or not. I can respect the requirements as a form of protection from the super boss's wrath.

Hey guys! I just recently completed my first sadistic run. 1.2 x motus crystal bonus is nice. It was difficult, but not quite as difficult as my memory served me. I died about half the amount of times on sadistic as I did on my first run on difficult. To me, the most difficult part about the changes is having the player do 15% less damage to enemies. The character of my choice for that run was Miles. His electric shield really helped a lot.

There is something that has been on my mind for awhile now. When selecting a character, some have complex stories while others have simple stories. What is the difference between complex and simple stories?

Edited by Yloh, 16 January 2022 - 01:46 PM.

[Russ]

There is something that has been on my mind for awhile now. When selecting a character, some have complex stories while others have simple stories. What is the difference between complex and simple stories?

The distinction is somewhat arbitrary, but the rationale goes something like this:
Sylvia/BB and Loammi stories - both have cutscenes after nearly every boss and at least some degree of predetermining what bosses you'll fight for story purposes, instead of rolling them from the seed.
Eli/Desio story - the story is tied to a specific Labyrinth and has more cutscenes than usual. One cutscene will trigger at one of three choke points in the labyrinth you have to pass through, while another specifically references a T2 boss in the seed and the arena it's found in (meaning it picks from 18 possible descriptions, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa).
Riviere story - Rhone has a different intro from Seine/Loire, and there's a cutscene early on that can happen at a few different chokepoints. Admittedly, I got lazy as we added more and more labyrinths, so in newer ones like Lifted, this cutscene happens on like... the second of the screen of the game, as opposed to in 4 or so possible locations in the Yuurei labyrinth.
Wisp story - There's two sets of subscreen skits for every area rather than just one, and one scene changes drastically depending depending on which of the four characters you're playing as.

The rest of the stories typically follow a pattern of Intro->Cutscene after 2 or 3 bosses->Maybe a special seen that happens at a particular point (such as Miles and Mato have a scene at the lake area)->VM boss scene->true final boss scene->Ending, so they're flagged as simple.

Congrats on the sadistic run clear! Miles really is a great character for it, between the thunder shield letting you run through enemies and his passive upping your damage output if you do start making mistakes.

[Yloh]

Spoiler

For the reward for beating a run on sadistic, the achievement says "strange skull/soul messages". At first, I interpreted it as me finding a strange skull somewhere in the labyrinth that would give me a soul message. In reality it was the souls or skulls in the challenge areas that will give me a message piece by piece. When picking them up, one of them will say something different. In one of the challenge areas, I collected a skull and it said something different than "cursed skull". In my mind, I was like "Oh that is pretty neat, why would it say that?". It was only after the run that my mind connected the dots. It was trying to give me a message and I missed it. Is there any way for me to recover the message that was lost?