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#46 Sheik

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:07 AM

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It seems like a lot of people here have played the Mega Man games too many times. Let us look at this from the realms of reincarnation and the spirit world. When a person dies, could he be a robot in the next life? Is it possible for a soul to be created while a robot is constructed?

Before your 'soul' formed, your brain had to grow to a certain volume and develop certain layers of cortex. Your 'soul' wasn't born into your body, your body (read brain) put your 'soul' into itself. (I'm going to asume that for you a 'soul' is something like a selfaware psyche, since you mentioned experience of the self as the defining characteristic.)

And I don't know what religion's or myth's form of reincarnation you are talking about but I haven't read about any that actually believes in transport of 'souls' into a (newborn) body. The most prominent ones will believe that karma can be reborn into new life (and that's a concept that's not even too wild if you are willing to put sense into it, but I don't want to deroll into this any further).

Edited by Yoshimi, 03 August 2012 - 04:56 AM.


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 11:16 AM

QUOTE(NoeL @ Aug 2 2012, 08:53 PM) View Post

Also, I want the strength of five gorillas! ... but why do I have to be so short?


I can help you with the strength....however, you'll also have to put up with the smell of five gorillas.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 11:38 AM

This topic has become a science vs. religious debate.

Can a mod perhaps do something?

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 12:22 PM

I believe a better question to ask is why topics like this get so much attention.

I believe that it can be dangerous to rely on machines and robots too much. I doubt they could ever truly equal or truly replace us, so I would never give a machine rights (other than the ones that allow them to exist and labor.) Of course, I would not sadistically beat or torture them either. I have moral standards. I believe that not everything is logic and reasoning.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE(NewJourneysFire @ Aug 3 2012, 06:38 PM) View Post

This topic has become a science vs. religious debate.

Can a mod perhaps do something?

When did that happen? oO I don't see it. The words 'moral' and 'soul' and even 'karma' don't make a religious debate. And applying religious measures to reasoning doesn't make a whatever versus religion debate either. When someone says that whatever is better than religion because --- (or vice versa) then a religious debate it starting.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 01:12 PM

QUOTE(Nolornbon @ Aug 3 2012, 01:22 PM) View Post

I believe a better question to ask is why topics like this get so much attention.

There are two main reasons that I can see:

1) It's hypothetical, so it's intriguing to think about all of the possibilities and factors that would go into such a situation.

2) With technology advancing at the rate it is, it might be something that we legitimately have to deal with in the not-so-far future.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 04:59 PM

QUOTE(Nolornbon @ Aug 2 2012, 11:06 AM) View Post

It seems like a lot of people here have played the Mega Man games too many times


The word "Robot" was invented in 1921 by a Czech playwright named Karel Čapek, for his play "Rossum's Universal Robots", in which artificially manufactured humans (not mechanical) lacking emotions are made to do man's work for them (Robota = Czech word for "Serf Labor"). However when they repeatedly ended up injuring or killing themselves, they were given feeling to protect them. As a side effect, these robots became self-aware and turned on their creators.

So actually, the idea of a robot uprising/rebellion is as old as the word "robot" itself. The idea of a mechanical man is much older than this, but detached from the original definition

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE(King Aquamentus @ Aug 3 2012, 06:29 PM) View Post

The word "Robot" was invented in 1921 by a Czech playwright named Karel Čapek, for his play "Rossum's Universal Robots", in which artificially manufactured humans (not mechanical) lacking emotions are made to do man's work for them (Robota = Czech word for "Serf Labor"). However when they repeatedly ended up injuring or killing themselves, they were given feeling to protect them. As a side effect, these robots became self-aware and turned on their creators.

So actually, the idea of a robot uprising/rebellion is as old as the word "robot" itself. The idea of a mechanical man is much older than this, but detached from the original definition


I am impressed! Very impressed you looked up that definition. icon_smile.gif Thank you.


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:47 PM

I'd imagine since we program the robots, we can exclude feelings of it being hurt, or at least control it's state of mind. If we're trying to make robots in the same vain as making artificial people for them to live like people, then maybe.




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