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[Xavier]

What's the old Zora from the Temple of Droplets underwater supposed to give you? I went back after doing level 4 and he says he hopes I'll never have to use what he has for me, but I'm not sure I saw anything being given to me.

[Aevin]

He gave you the peril beam, which lets you use sword beams when you're on your last heart. It's possible most players won't ever see it. I probably should have raised the minimum to 3 hearts or something ... But there's your answer.

[Xavier]

Ooooh that's genius, a great detail, should've figured it before.

Thank you! I'm actually replaying your quest after three years and I love it =)

[pixcalibur]

He gave you the peril beam, which lets you use sword beams when you're on your last heart. It's possible most players won't ever see it. I probably should have raised the minimum to 3 hearts or something ... But there's your answer.

Yeah, had to guess on that given it doesn't show up in the inventory. Then again, I don't think I ever went down on health enough to get close to that point =p

[Anthus]

I finally got around to playing this, and it's the first quest I've played in a loooong time.

 

I really like it so far. The modified Pure version adds a lot of personality, and it is well designed, in most cases. I pretty much marathoned my way to the fourth dungeon, and have enjoyed it. the block puzzle in Level 4 is annoying, but not poorly designed. One gripe I have is the slow walk ice. Not that is exists, but that there is so much of it. It made traversing the second dungeon not as fun as it could have been. The puzzle to get the one key in Level 3 was also one of the coolest things I've seen done in ZC. Was that just using FFCs to make the Armos move? It was really cool regardless.

 

I'll be back with a full review if I finish playing it, which I probably will unless I lose my save, or my power goes off and I lose hours of progress (which has happened, but not with this quest )

 

 

EDIT: Okay, I'm taking a break. This block puzzle is royally pissing me off. I hate block puzzles (this is no fault of yours) but this shit is making me rage. ghghghg. Mostly cause it looks easy, but then, I've tried it a dozen times and keep screwing it up. I would like a solution cause I am tired of it lol.

[Aevin]

Hi! Thanks for playing!

 

Is this the block puzzle near the beginning of level 4, still? It looks simple, but it's kind of counter-intuitive. The first two blocks can go in the upper positions just fine, but the third needs to go to the bottom left position to leave space for the last one to go on the right. Here's the solution from pixcalibur's let's play.

 

You can rest assured there's not a whole lot of block puzzles in the quest. I don't like them much myself, and feel like I included them here because I felt they were expected in Zelda games. The armos was indeed just an ffc. I'm glad you liked that puzzle! This quest is old, and I feel not my best work. There will probably be some other frustrating things ahead, but I hope that you manage to enjoy it on the whole. If you need any additional help, please speak up.

[Anthus]

Thanks, I got past it now. Quick question: Did you script the Z2-esque enemies, or are they done with the editor? I'm mostly asking about the scorpion creatures seen in death mountain. I've actually wanted to make a very similar enemy, but didn't know if you could without scripting.

 

Also, I totally missed the blue ring, and first boomerang. I have the magic boomerang, and no blue ring. Is the blue ring in a shop, or did I miss it in a dungeon? I would read the item guide packaged with the quest, but I can't open .doc files

[Aevin]

Optional Item Guide

Heart Pieces:
1. Enter the village item shop from the back and head down the stairs.
2. In the northern valley screen with the rocks arranged in a diamond, bomb the cliff to the left to reveal a cave.
3. In the first screen of the desert, bomb between the skull rocks to reveal a cave. (Required: Projectile Weapon)
4. In the eastern mountains, search for a U-shaped screen populated by bombchus. Bomb on the left to reveal a cave.
5. Head to the dead end in the southwestern part of the mountains to reach a heart piece. (Required: Ladder)
6. In the ruins, there's a heart piece visible up a vine across a small stream. Use the flippers or ladder to reach it. (Required: Ladder)
7. Dive in the fairy pool in the forest. (Required: Flippers)
8. Dive in the center of the Lost Sea near Level 6. (Required: Flippers)
9. In the west part of the coast area, pound the pegs to access a cave. (Required: Hammer)
10. At the base of the waterfall in the southern part of the Lake, dive and then bomb to reveal a cave. (Required: Flippers, Remote Bombs)
11. Use the Gust Jar to blow away a pile of sand near Level 8 in the mountains. (Required: Ladder, Gust Jar)
12. Access the eastern part of the forest with the hookshot and burn a tree on the screen with many Lynels. (Required: Fire Rod, Hookshot, Light Arrows)

Magic Containers:
1. In the southern part of the ruins, find a screen with many Armos arranged in rows. Wake the upper-right Armos to reveal a passage.
2. In the northern forest, there's a screen with a pair of red Lynels. Burn the furthest right tree to reveal a passage. (Required: Fire Rod)
3. Dive to the south of the long island with the rock on it in the southern part of the coast, and bomb about halfway along it underwater. (Required: Flippers, Remote Bombs)
4. Pound down the pegs in the Lake area and cut the bushes to reveal a passage. Defeat the monsters with the Fire Rod and solve the puzzle. (Required: Fire Rod, Hammer, Magic Book)
5. In the upper right screen of the Desert graveyard, push a grave to reveal a passage. (Required: Power Bracelet)

Bomb/Ammo Upgrades:
1. In the southwestern most screen of the ruins, there's a patch of bushes across the stream. Cut the bushes to reveal a passage.
2. From the beach in the south of the valley, follow a narrow path right to access a small alcove in the Lake area. Bomb there to reveal a cave.
3. The southwestern most screen in the village has a singular tree on a sheet of ice. Burn the tree to reveal the passage. (Required: Fire Rod)
4. Swimming in the ocean in the coast area, you will find a screen with two small islands. Bomb the cliff on the right island to find a cave. (Required: Flippers, Remote Bombs)
5. Dive southwest of the waterfall in the Lake area. Search for a spot with two pieces of coral against the northern cliff, and bomb between them. (Required: Flippers, Remote Bombs)
6. In the lower east part of the desert, there's a dead end full of zombies, where a tablet was hidden. Bomb the wall in the upper right to find a cave.

Optional Items:
None of these items are permanently missable, but all are (technically) not required to finish the game and you may end up skipping them.
- Amulet: Dive in the northern Lake to discover a shop where you can buy it. (Required: Flippers)
- Magic Boomerang: In the Face Shrine, bomb the eastern wall in the room with the torch and the lowering gates. Defeat the Wizzrobes inside for the boomerang. (Required: Fire Rod)
- Fire Boomereang: After getting the Boss Key in Level 8, head back to the non-inverted side of the level near where you received the Light Arrows. Fight the Gohma behind the locked door to receive the boomerang. (Required: Light Arrows)
- Power Bracelet: Wake a single armos enclosed in the "maze" in the western part of the ruins and find the bracelet beneath him.

-Peril Beam: After getting the flippers, dive from the NW corner of the Temple of Droplet's B1. An old Zora will give you the upgrade, letting you shoot sword beams with 1 or fewer hearts.
- Staff of Aquas: On the eastern edge of the ocean, underwater, search for a pile of sand hidden behind a clump of seaweed. Use the bubbles to reveal a passage. (Required: Flippers)
- Farore's Wind: In the dead-end on the western side of the Coast, bomb a cracked wall to reveal a passage. Complete the Trial of Courage within to claim the magic. If you have trouble with the trial, the Lens of Truth will reveal the safe floors.
- Din's Storm: In the dead-end on the eastern side of the mountains, (the area with Lynels and bombchus), bomb the wall near the middle to reveal the entrance to the Trial of Power. Complete the trial to claim the spell.
- Nayru's Love: In the Desert, bomb the left side of the cliff to the south of the graveyard to reveal a cave. Complete the Trial of Wisdom within to claim the magic. The Lens of Truth can help if you find the trial challenging.
- Big Wallet: Dive in the pool in the village, and bomb to reveal a cave. (Required: Flippers, Remote Bombs)
- Lens of Truth: Dive in a pool at the eastern edge of the ruins and bomb to reveal a cave. Buy the Lens for 450 rupees from the shop inside. (Required: Flippers, Remote Bombs, Big Wallet)
- Magic Ring: (Faster magic regeneration) Dive in a pool at the eastern edge of the ruins and bomb to reveal a cave. Buy the ring for 350 rupees from the shop inside. (Required: Flippers, Remote Bombs, Big Wallet)
- Blue Tunic: From the forest fairy fountain, head west through some false trees. The passage on the next screen leads to a shop where you can buy the ring for 250 rupees. Alternatively, dive in a pool at the western edge of the ruins, and bomb there to reveal a different shop that sells the ring for the same price.
- Red Tunic: In Level 9, there's a room with Darknuts and Wizzrobes, an electric floor, and many blocks. This is in the "electric floor" section of the level, to the right near the entrance. From this room, bomb to the south, then head through the next room to a room with corner traps. Walk through the wall to the south (the spot's tricky to find), and solve the puzzle to earn the ring.
- Mirror Shield: In Level 7, head right just before the boss room. Shoot the eye with the slingshot or arrows to clear out some of the blocks in the room, then defeat the enemies and push a block to open the passageway and claim the shield.
- White Sword: In the northwest most screen of the mountains is a passageway. Inside, battle some enemies to follow the path that leads to the sword.
- Magic Sword: Use the hookshot to access the eastern most part of the forest. When you reach a small graveyard, push one of the graves to reveal a passageway. (Required: Hookshot, Power Bracelet)
- Beam Sword: After clearing the main game, use the key you received to open the locked door in the beach area of the Valley. Complete the Boss Archives and choose the passage in the room with the sword symbol. (Required: Vagnum's Key)
- Magic Ring Lv2: (Faster magic regeneration) After clearing the main game, use the key you received to open the locked door in the beach area of the Valley. Complete the Boss Archives and choose the passage in the room with the wand symbol. (Required: Vagnum's Key)
- Purple Tunic: After clearing the main game, use the key you received to open the locked door in the beach area of the Valley. Complete the Boss Archives and choose the passage in the room with the shield symbol. (Required: Vagnum's Key)

There you go.

 

Here's a hint for the tunic if you don't want to spoil it completely. If you check your minimap against the spacebar map in the forest, you should find that there's a screen missing ...

 

There's no scripting anywhere in the quest. The eyeball and scorpion enemies use the enemy editor's "tribble" mechanic. It's usually used for enemies to duplicate themselves or upgrade into more powerful enemies. Here, I had an open-eye enemy and a closed-eye enemy with different defenses that tribble back and forth. The limitation is that their HP is reset every time they tribble, so the player needs to focus on dealing a lot of damage quickly before the eyes close and they heal. I tried to keep their HP relatively low so most players don't notice, and it becomes much easier with more powerful items. Working around the editor's limitations was a really fun challenge when making this quest.

[Anthus]

That's cool that there is no scripting. I just kind of assumed there were some small "polishing" scripts here and there. And yeah, ZC limits make for some unique designs, that's for sure. After playing a bit more, I gotta say my biggest issue is the slow walk tiles lol (since there's even more in Jabu-Jabu's Belly). Everything else is really well done. 

[Aevin]

I fully agree about the slow walk tiles. I wanted to add some realism to the underwater sections, but it's a case where the gameplay suffers too much as a result. If I ever make another big update, I'll probably change that.

[Anthus]

How did you do the tunnels in Turtle Rock? I simply can't fathom how it was done without a script

[Aevin]

They're raft paths.

[Anthus]

Wow, that's clever. Makes sense now though.

[aranche]

Aevin

 

can you please help me im at level 7 used 2 keys but the room most left down that is locked for the jar is stil locked so im missing a key dont have keys left ive walked the whole level like 4 times used the lens walked through walls bomb walls etc ive got anything so far all the the trials ...tunic ..sword ...please help im stuck

[aranche]

solved it 

Aevin

 

can you please help me im at level 7 used 2 keys but the room most left down that is locked for the jar is stil locked so im missing a key dont have keys left ive walked the whole level like 4 times used the lens walked through walls bomb walls etc ive got anything so far all the the trials ...tunic ..sword ...please help im stuck