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#16 HylianGlaceon

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 03:34 PM

I've come to the conclusion that this game is probably not in the Child Timeline. This comes from discussions on a subreddit that analyzed that speech of Zelda's and the vernacular of Twilight Princess, both in Japanese. When Zelda mentions "twilight" in that speech, she uses the word "tasogare" (黄昏), whereas the Twilight Realm is Japan is known as "kage no sekai," or "Shadow World" (影の世界). Apparently, the only time "tasogare" is used is Midna's "Twilight Princess" title. And no, the Japanese title doesn't use the word either, instead just calling it "Towairaitu Purinsesu" because Nintendo of Japan is silly.

 

You know where else the word "tasogare" was used, though? In the manual of A Link to the Past, referring to the Sacred Realm. In the same passage that the NoA manual translates as:

 

 

 

 

Admittedly I haven't seen if this word was used again in the actual game text, and manuals aren't necessarily the best indicator of canon, but it is interesting to look at.

 

Based on this, though, I think the "twilight" reference is indeed just a cheeky reference and nothing more; the same speech apparently mentions "crossing the seas seeking the gold of the gods," which for all some know is a reference to Wind Waker, so it's not like that speech is definitive proof of... anything. Meanwhile, there's the tablets talking about Ruto's ascension as a sage and aiding a princess and an ancient hero against what's implied to be Ganondorf... that didn't happen in the child timeline.

It was also mentioned in-game that each Divine Beast was named after a Sage too which means Adult Timeline somewhat, so I don't know either.


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Posted 17 April 2017 - 03:45 PM

Was it ever stated that each of them was? Urbosa mentions that Vah Naboris was, but I don't think anything was said regarding the other three.

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 03:47 PM

The same tablets I mention state Ruta was named after Ruto. There's no such confirmation for Rudania and Medoh, but [i]c'mon,[i] Rudania, Darunia, obviously is.

 

On another note, the sages' existence does not necessarily confirm Adult Timeline either, because as far as we know the same sages exist in the downfall timeline as well.



#19 HylianGlaceon

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 03:58 PM

Was it ever stated that each of them was? Urbosa mentions that Vah Naboris was, but I don't think anything was said regarding the other three.

I can't find the quote but I thought Ruta was mentioned to be named after Ruto too somewhere, but I could be wrong. It likely hints towards that regardless with 3 of them being clearly named after Nabooru, Ruto and Darunia and the last is either completely random or an Easter Egg for Medli.

 

Either way it doesn't fit nicely into the Downfall nor Adult Timelines.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 04:06 PM

Remember when Aonuma said something to the effect of "Once you play the game, you might be able to figure out where it is in the timeline"? Yeah, I wish I was as funny as him.

 

Regarding the sages, they definitely do exist in the CT, since they all appear in Twilight Princess. Also, Koroks are simply Kokiri who have left the Kokiri Forest, not an "evolution" of them. It's more than possible that the Kokiri moved from their old forest in the Faron province to their new home in northern Hyrule, resulting in the change.


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#21 The Satellite

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 04:10 PM

Regarding the sages, they definitely do exist in the CT, since they all appear in Twilight Princess.


We have no idea if those are even related to the same six sages in OoT, though, or if they're even meant to be as important as those sages. They're so ambiguous and unexplained that there's really no use trying to link them to any existing sages.
 

Also, Koroks are simply Kokiri who have left the Kokiri Forest, not an "evolution" of them. It's more than possible that the Kokiri moved from their old forest in the Faron province to their new home in northern Hyrule, resulting in the change.


Actually, in Wind Waker, the Deku Tree mentions that they took the form of the Koroks when they came to live on the Great Sea. I don't remember for sure but some seem to believe it's so they can traverse the seas better. But yeah, there's no reason they couldn't have just transformed for different reasons no matter which timeline they're on.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 04:18 PM

We have no idea if those are even related to the same six sages in OoT, though, or if they're even meant to be as important as those sages. They're so ambiguous and unexplained that there's really no use trying to link them to any existing sages.

Yeah, if anything it is implied they aren't related since Ruto, Saria and the others weren't awakened by Link in OoT by clearing the dungeons and were probably just some random Sheikah or Hylians that became sages. They're nameless and all appear to be male hylians in spirit form in TP.

 

The issue with determining the timeline is that we know nothing of went on in the Downfall Timeline in OoT. Did Link fail in the future or the past plays a big role here. There's nothing in game that even confirms the timeline's existence.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 04:32 PM

While we don't know as much about OoT's fate in the DT as we'd like, I think it's easy enough to say it's DT by process of elimination. It can't be CT cuz there's explicit references to events (Ruto and Nabooru becoming sages) that didn't happen in the CT. And it can't be AT cuz Hyrule was flooded forever there (King Daphnes explicitly wished for it to remain flooded forever). Ergo, it must be the DT. That makes sense too, given how well the geography meshes and how many DT references there are. Sure, we don't know everything about the start of the DT, but we know enough.

Side note though, regarding when Link fell in the DT, I'm pretty sure Historia stated it was in the future. Not certain though.

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 04:45 PM

While we don't know as much about OoT's fate in the DT as we'd like, I think it's easy enough to say it's DT by process of elimination. It can't be CT cuz there's explicit references to events (Ruto and Nabooru becoming sages) that didn't happen in the CT. And it can't be AT cuz Hyrule was flooded forever there (King Daphnes explicitly wished for it to remain flooded forever). Ergo, it must be the DT. That makes sense too, given how well the geography meshes and how many DT references there are. Sure, we don't know everything about the start of the DT, but we know enough.

Side note though, regarding when Link fell in the DT, I'm pretty sure Historia stated it was in the future. Not certain though.

Future would be most likely, but it if were the past, this would have to be the Adult Timeline as little to no sense that makes (Great Flood, Master Sword in Ganondorf under the sea, New Hyrule in ST, Zoras all (likely) became Rito, lack of Tetra mentioned even once in BotW).

 

If true, this would mean he had awakened Ruto and Nabooru at a minimum before failing if they became sages in DT.

 

What DT references are there again? I don't seem to recall any in the game at all. I know of Lonlon Ranch, Temple of Time and whatnot, just they don't make sense in their locations if we are to assume they are the same from OoT.

 

Also where does the Master Sword end up again on the DT? It goes back to the forest in ALBW and never seen again, right?



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 06:18 PM

Lots of the references were in artwork. For example, compare this official art for Zelda 1 with this promotional image. Or this other promo image. There's also place names from Link's Awakening and the Oracle games, as well as a Rauru Settlement that could be a reference to Z2 or OoT. Of course, lots of other place names from other timelines too.

Regarding the Master Sword, yeah, it ends up in the pedestal in the forest. Which, by the way, is in the same place in BotW as in LttP/LBW. See here. Not perfect (I doubt LttP's desert became the highlands in BotW, so most likely it just doesn't line up perfectly), but it's clearly there.

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 07:12 PM

HH states that Link falls during the final battle with Ganon at the start of the DT. Thus why Ganon only appears in his beast form during those games.



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Posted 05 September 2017 - 05:07 PM

A Game Theory video has been released with new insights.


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