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[Takuya]

Uh..I have no clue what is truly going on here, but I for one think this is foolish. A Christian person. and Atheist, a Jew, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Daoist, whatever you are... Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and their own right to pray or worship or not. It is foolish to argue over something like religion, because it's really a matter of belief and opinions, and if one person wants to believe something, they can, they shouldn't be forced to change just because others feel differently. I am Jewish, I follow the Jewish Holidays, but I do not neccessarily believe everything that is stated in the Torah. I could be considered Agnostic, but it's a matter of opinion. I do think that there is a God, though, but I am not getting into this. With that said, you can debate, but not..argue mindlessly. I mean, get your acts together..

[Mad Dog]

Also, we are all animals. Admit it or not. Why else do we rely on smells, hearing, and others things as much as animals? Why do we remember things when we think of a certain smell? We're animals.

And yet we are the ones controlling animals. Do you see cows herding sheep into their pens? Do you soo pigs walking around with dogs on leashes? No. Scientifically speaking, you are somewhat correct, we are classified in the animalia kingdom, but we are above animals.

[Anthus]

We are animals. We are just the most advanced species, so we see our selves as suppior. What if animals have thier own religions? Yes it sounds flaky, but it is a very slight possibility.

And the founding fathers were indeed Christian! Why the deuce do you think they left England!? To practice a religion other than the one the King of England practiced!

The religion of Great Brittian was Chriatianity, so yes they left to practice a different, or no religion. Plus I don'y think that the founding fathers were "straight off of the boat" Brittish folk... But I could be wrong.

You have also proven my point about the bibble contridicting itself many times true ONCE AGAIN! He hated sin, okay. He loves everybody, and wants everybody to be happy, or not be evil, but his whole free will thing says you can be evil, even if it goes against god... This may not exactly be a contradiction, but its something of the sort!

Uh..I have no clue what is truly going on here, but I for one think this is foolish. A Christian person. and Atheist, a Jew, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Daoist, whatever you are... Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and their own right to pray or worship or not. It is foolish to argue over something like religion, because it's really a matter of belief and opinions, and if one person wants to believe something, they can, they shouldn't be forced to change just because others feel differently. I am Jewish, I follow the Jewish Holidays, but I do not neccessarily believe everything that is stated in the Torah. I could be considered Agnostic, but it's a matter of opinion. I do think that there is a God, though, but I am not getting into this. With that said, you can debate, but not..argue mindlessly. I mean, get your acts together..

Yes this is true. we are all entitled to our own opinion etc. We are not exactly arguing, we are simply throwing out points, and facts about each side of an issue. I understand that it is pointless to try to change ones veiws, because you are write in the end, it DOES all come down to belief. We can debate untill our faces turn blue, or in this case, our fingers fall off, but that doesn't mean people will change. We are simply expressing opinions...

Edited by tobias_daboi, 02 April 2005 - 10:20 PM.

[Hero_of_Hyrule]

Yes I will believe that we evolved from apes because it is true!

And why do you so strongly believe this is true? How has it been proven? And don't fire back at me with "Since when has God been proven?" The Christians here have given you lots of evidence of God's existence, whether you believe it or not. However, you still have not given us any evidence about evolution or any evidence that proves there is no God. You saying "God and the Bible don't make any sense to me, thus God doesn't exist." is not the kind of evidence I'm looking for. You keep asking the Christians here for proof, yet you have failed to provide any proof of your own. So by all means, please do.

And while we're waiting for you to give us some strong evidence that evolution is truth, here is some evidence that further proves that it is false:

Species Without a Link Proves Evolution is Wrong.
The evolutionist will claim that the presence of many individual species proves evolution. This shallow statement is devoid of reason, logic and scientific proof. Evolutionists line up pictures of similar looking species and claim they evolved one to another. Humans are a great example. There are hundreds of species of extinct monkeys and apes. Petrified skulls and bones exist from these creatures. Evolutionists line up the most promising choices to present a gradual progression from monkey to modern man. They simply fill in the big gaps with make-believe creatures to fit the picture. This procedure can be done with humans only because there are many extinct monkey and ape species. They never do this with giraffes and elephants. The picture is simply a grouping of individual species that does not prove evolution.

The presence of individual species actually proves they were not developed by an evolutionary process. If evolution were true all plants, animals and insects would be in a continual state of change. No two creatures would be identical because there would not be separate species. There would be a continual blend of characteristics without a clear definition among the species. Everything would be changing and every animal, insect and plant would be different. All species are locked solid within their DNA code.

Single Cell Complexity Proves Evolution is Wrong.
Scientists a century ago believed the smallest single living cell was a simple life form. The theory developed that perhaps lightning struck a pond of water causing several molecules to combine in a random way which by chance resulted in a living cell. The cell then divided and evolved into higher life forms. This view is now proven to be immature to the degree of being ridiculous. The most modern laboratory is unable to create a living cell. In fact, scientists have been unable to create a single left-hand protein molecule as found in all animals. The smallest living cell has the complexity of a Boeing 747 jumbo jet airplane. The components of the cell have the obvious arrangement of intelligent design just as the Boeing 747 did not appear from random parts stacked near each other in a junk yard. "The minimal cell contains more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations."

The smallest single cell creature has millions of atoms forming millions of molecules that must each be arranged in an exact pattern to provide the required functions. The cell has an energy producing system, protective housing and security system to let molecules into and out of the housing, a reproductive system and a central control system. This complexity required an intelligent design. It is much too complex to happen by chance.

Chaos From Organization Proves Evolution is Wrong.
The second law of thermodynamics proves that organization cannot flow from chaos. Complex live organisms cannot rearrange themselves into an organism of a higher form as claimed by evolutionists. This is scientifically backwards according to the second law of thermodynamics that has never been proven wrong. Scientists cannot have it both ways. The second law of thermodynamics is proven to be correct. Evolution lacks any scientific proof. Evolution is simply an empty theory.

The universe is slowing down to a lower state, not higher. The genes of plants, insects, animals and humans are continually becoming defective, not improving. Species are becoming extinct, not evolving. Order will always move naturally toward disorder or chaos unless changed by an intelligent being.

Chromosome Count Proves Evolution is Wrong.
There is no scientific evidence that a species can change the number of chromosomes within the DNA. The chromosome count within each species is fixed. This is the reason a male from one species cannot mate successfully with a female of another species. Man could not evolve from a monkey. Each species is locked into its chromosome count that cannot change. If an animal developed an extra chromosome or lost a chromosome because of some deformity, it could not successfully mate. The defect could not be passed along to the next generation. Evolving a new species is scientifically impossible.

Man has 46 chromosomes. This chromosome count is a steady factor. This determines what is called the "fixity of species" because the chromosome count doesn't vary. People always give birth to people. Dogs always give birth to dogs, etc. The genes produce variety within the species. Genes allow for people to be short, tall, fat, thin, blond, brunette, etc., but still all people. The chromosomes make crossing of the species an un-crossable barrier. This certainly would hinder any evolution. It would stop it dead in its tracks.

Oh, and here's a fun fact: As scientists continue to try and find proof of evolution, they continue to find more things that disprove it. Some scientists are now saying that it seems impossible that we weren't created by some "greater being"....in other words, God.

Edited by Hero_of_Hyrule, 03 April 2005 - 04:42 AM.

[Hunter P Brown]

Hero of Hyrule, if you could say that any better, I'd have to say that you're chatting from Heaven's great place. I just noticed that: We've given so much proof from the pizza, and they haven't given one slice. I would have to say that we have this iin the bag.

Also, about my sig...I see a sig that I'm pretty sure people like me don't like to see, and if you want me to get rid of that part, you can get rid of what the crap we find offensive in the sig we see. And if you don't know, it's Jaivaz's Sig, saying all that BS about Why People like me (Christians) suck and why Satanism is great and all this other BS that can't be proven worth a crap. When that's gone, I'll change mine. If I go down with the ship, someone is coming with me on this part.

They won't give up, since they're fools for continuing this.

[Jaivaz]

Also, about my sig...I see a sig that I'm pretty sure people like me don't like to see, and if you want me to get rid of that part, you can get rid of what the crap we find offensive in the sig we see. And if you don't know, it's Jaivaz's Sig, saying all that BS about Why People like me (Christians) suck and why Satanism is great and all this other BS that can't be proven worth a crap. When that's gone, I'll change mine. If I go down with the ship, someone is coming with me on this part.

They won't give up, since they're fools for continuing this.

Funny, I smell a troll. If you want that gone, you'll have to remove it yourself, therefore abusing your powers. I will not remove it. It breaks no rules and if you can't take the truth, then why should I care? If you were smart enough to read past the face, and see beyond, you'd see many doors open for you.

And fun fact: You're the fool. I had stopped bothering with this, just ruining good reading time. Now I'm back because I can't stand you.

[Anthus]

And why do you so strongly believe this is true? How has it been proven? And don't fire back at me with "Since when has God been proven?" The Christians here have given you lots of evidence of God's existence, whether you believe it or not. However, you still have not given us any evidence about evolution or any evidence that proves there is no God. You saying "God and the Bible don't make any sense to me, thus God doesn't exist." is not the kind of evidence I'm looking for. You keep asking the Christians here for proof, yet you have failed to provide any proof of your own. So by all means, please do.

Yeah... good point... I guess...

This can work both ways. It all comes down to what you want to believe is true, or proven. I know that you think that the universe etc is proof of god because that is what you want to believe. And I believe that it is not because that is what I chose to believe. We see different things as proof, so there is no real way to prove either of our points from the other side, or point of view.

I'm going to have to say it again... belief belief belief belief belief!!!

Also, about my sig...I see a sig that I'm pretty sure people like me don't like to see, and if you want me to get rid of that part, you can get rid of what the crap we find offensive in the sig we see. And if you don't know, it's Jaivaz's Sig, saying all that BS about Why People like me (Christians) suck and why Satanism is great and all this other BS that can't be proven worth a crap. When that's gone, I'll change mine. If I go down with the ship, someone is coming with me on this part.

Yeah I can see your point, but there are two tings that I could say are different here. First of all, his are links, so you choose to look at them. His also are not meant to be directly offensive. They are names of essays that that list facts. Yours is just... well, supposed to be offensive, and has no real perpose other than to offend. Atleast Jaivaz's are informaive, and educational...

[HappyPuppet]

Yours is just... well, supposed to be offensive, and has no real perpose other than to offend.

You're the fool.

They won't give up, since they're fools for continuing this.

This isn't the first time everyone has been told to try to keep it out.

Sorry, but topic closed. Either an argument without trolling/flaming/something close or no argument at all.