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[Manifesto Empire]

Due to recent threats, this topic is closed, if you would like to continue, go ahead, but i'm not.

Edited by Manifesto Empire, 24 April 2009 - 05:08 PM.

[Eurysilas]

So, your argument is that we are slaves to the government? Well, I'd say that we're not quite there, YET . A slave is defined by my dictionary as one entity owning another. One of the key features of ownership is that you get to do what you want to with the property. We still have certain rights, last I heard, therefore, it's more like we're on lease to the government, in perpetuity.

Give it time, though. The @ssholes at the top may ruin this nation yet.

[Manifesto Empire]

well, because the US and Canada and likely other countries are in debt, they use us as colateral, as our ID and social security card points out, our names are in capitol letters witch means we are a corporate entity, and therefor can be treated like a slave by paying taxes and going to court over stupid traffic tickets and other laws that don't actually apply to us at all.
This has been explained in another post under " natural-person" ...BTW
Seems I was mistaken, even claiming to be a natural person doesn't work, under the statues and definitions a person is still a corporate entity, witch means you would have to be called under a " natural-man".

[Lemon]

As long as I can enjoy my chocolate milk, play DS, read books, and go camping I wouldn't really mind eitherway.

[SwordOfSeals]

We are slaves of habit. We get adjusted and wish not to leave. In retrospect, guess that's more "slaves to ourselves," but breaking habits takes serious dedication, and even then it's just adding a new one in its place.

[Nicholas Steel]

Many questions in the first few paragraphs end with the answer "no"... which means that they are wrong and the people described are free =)

[Russ]

I say no.

The very nature of America is that we elect our leaders. If there are people in the government who want to push things through that limit freedoms, remember, the majority of the people voted for that person to be in office. Even if we did have all our liberties taken away, we said yes to them being taken away, thus, we still somewhat have a choice.

Just my two cents.

[Nicholas Steel]

does the majority of america have the rights to NOT elect a leader? no? they are all slaves

[Twilight Knight]

In some view, yes we are slaves of the world civilization, because the big guys control us and we work our ***es of to maintain this regime. I really hate civilization and control. But on the other hand, we're quite free within the civilization. It depends on your own view: is our world's civilization wrong or right? For me, it's wrong, but I can imagine it being different for others.

[Manifesto Empire]

No matter what way you look at it, either fighting for your rights or claiming no name...
were still playing there games...by there rules..

Let me ask you a question, do you bow down before the queen?
Hell no, that right there says she's above you!
Authority over no one..

An anarchist is someone who believes the government in itself is evil..
An anarchist is someone who governs themselves..

Anarchist
Wiki Definition

Now...what was the first thing Hitler did when he came to power?

Mayor David Miller wants to close recreational shooting ranges in Toronto, along with giving the city power to block gun manufacturers and wholesalers from opening new plants or warehouses.
http://www.thestar.c.../article/431333


Gun Control was one of the first things Hitler did. Main reason was, it was then easy for those evil bastards to round up millions and millions for Hitlers Death Camps .

If you did not know hundreds of Concentration Camps have been built in AMERICA and CANADA since the 9/11 fake terror attack , just look at all the info and proof out there. There are death camps that were just built in Alaska and other parts of America and Canada . Some are said to hold over 2 000 000 people .Why are there sooo many of them? The New World Order is written all over them , that is why there are so many of them. Its time to open your eyes to the world around you because these Death Camp are here weather you believe it or not.

http://www.mindfully...Camps3sep04.htm
http://www.youtube.c...ntrationCampUSA

http://www.freedomfi...rg/war/fema.htm
http://www.abovetops...ages/camps.html

http://www.texemarrs...ps_are_real.htm
http://www.greaterth...ntration_Camps/
http://www.prolognet.../clyde/camp.htm


So people.....what are we all gonna do now? Beg like a dog for our rights?
Hope they don't treat us like a terrorist and send us to concentration camps?
Judging from the poll I take it nobody wants to be a slave, either from point of view or just no period...

Edited by Shashomaru, 12 April 2009 - 12:11 PM.

[Russ]

If you did not know hundreds of Concentration Camps have been built in AMERICA and CANADA since the 9/11 fake terror attack , just look at all the info and proof out there.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call BS on that one. The 9/11 attack was not fake. We have terrorists admitting to doing it, we have the phone calls of people on the planes (one of them, at least), and furthermore, what motive would the government have to fake an attack and blow up they're own buildings.

[Marco]

This is more pathetic than 9/11 conspirists or scientology. There are numerous statements you are putting out there that lack vital back up, I just don't know where to begin.

We are not slaves to the governent. Maybe in your little head, but we cannot be. Then again, everyone's definition of liberty and slavery is differed.

Ok, I am not going to spend my time explaining why this is not to be. Look, life is life. If you can still post a thread about something like this on the internet, than you are still free and not abound to slavery. End of story.

[Manifesto Empire]

That's your personal one sided brain opinion, but others question things, life, if the government are looking out for us or not, I bet i could name off a bunch of political leaders who meet in secret, witch is elligal, but you wouldn't know about because you don't question your reality, you take everything for granted. Me, I'm not a moron, i posted this for a reason, and your about to find out why soon, so be prepared. I don't need anything to back this up, it's happening in front of your eyes, Codex Alimatarius, is that good? ask yourself, why would they want to stop organic farming? why do they put rat poison in our drinking water, is that good? And yes rat poison, pottasium fluoride is rat poison, the only ingredient in rat poison, that's also the only ingredient in ADHD pills and prozzak. If you want you can drink up, enjoy your cadnium poisioning, enjoy your lead too, but other people arn't that stupid.

[Sheik]

So we are slaves? I'd said we are not. I fully understand what's said about being enslaved by the government, but one thing is horribly false: we CAN say no.
We simply can say no to every thing that has to do with us in any way. Most of us don't do, because living in a society isn't possible without following the rules and doing what the goverment (keep in mind: you voted it yourselves!) demands.
Most don't work against being trimmed in their rights because they fear being punished, some don't do it out of rationality (Kants definition of rationality: simply understanding that it's right to follow the rules [good for yourself, after all every human being is egoistic in it's ultimate purpose: you donate money to the poor? the ultimate purpose is to keep YOUR conscience calm!]).
The ones that don't do it either don't life in society or try to start the revolution (this isn't meant sharp, it's simply history, revolution WILL come, when circumstances demand it, who thinks that the great time of revolutions is over should open his history book and look what happend over and over again, every few centuaries).

If someone forces you (by use of violence or what ever) to do what he/she demands, you can say no( by- for example- killing yourself).

And keep in mind: you life in this society absolutly voluntary. Go into the woods if it bothers you, or start the revolution (no offense here!).

I don't know much about America and it's system (since I'm German). Of course I know a little about it's history or it's role in globalisation... but no details I guess. So that's just my point of view. Maybe influenced by Kant and Hobbes, I'm not sure. And after all, look at the third world and than talk again and with a clean consciene over being enslaved by your government, the third world is being enslaved by them( = G8, not only America of course), not you.

So long, Shiek.


Edit: About Hitler: He failed didn't he? Don't that teaches us something?

Oh, and don't think I am completly against what you are mentioning. I just don't know if it's right, and I don't care too much, too (since I'm more the viewer/watcher, call me passive if you like, I don't need to put my nose into stuff that does not interests me , yes, it does not interest me, and it's not becuase I'm simple mined or something, it's out of conscience, if you like to call it like that). One more thing: You said you don't need to proof what you said. That makes the things you said wothless to think about, dead, uninteresting. Will anyone be interested in gravitaion if it wasn't proofed? No. Some may be interested in proofing it, but that's not the same thing. So proof what you say. Or don't say it. Or note that you can't /won't proof it, because you don't need to (maybe out of consciene). But saying 'I don't need to proof because it's obvious' is strange. And the whole 'you'll see'-thing, isn't that factual actually.

Note: I am not offense towards anyone, if anyone feels attacked, please exuse. Every sentence is just my point of view. Take it or leave it, that's not my business, my business was saying what I am thinking (because that thread is made for that purpose, isn't it?).

Edited by Shiek, 22 April 2009 - 01:24 PM.

[Ricky of Kokiri]

That's your personal one sided brain opinion, but others question things, life, if the government are looking out for us or not, I bet i could name off a bunch of political leaders who meet in secret, witch is elligal, but you wouldn't know about because you don't question your reality, you take everything for granted.

What good is it going to do me to worry about things I can't control? Do I really want to spend time and energy removing the selfish people in government and replacing them with other selfish people? Do I want to waste time telling people in authority that instead of me doing what they want me to do, they should do what I want them to do?

Suspicion of government has existed as long as government has. America wasn't even fifty years old when James Madison was speaking against the Anti-Federalists. There's always been this problem. The magnitude of the problem depends on your perspective, not on actual facts.

Now, I'm not all that interested in spending hours looking up your claims, but, based on my limited knowledge:

The organic farming issue, I think, is primarily an environmental one. I think the environmental issue is overexaggerated (people overestimate our ability to starve the planet and underestimate the planet's ability to replenish itself), but that's not indicative of murderous intentions. They're not aiming to kill people, and I doubt the cessation of organic farming would have that result. I disagree with the effort, but my reason is completely different from yours.

Pottasium Fluoride, like any chemical, is only effective at certain levels. The level at which it kills rats is not the same level at which it kills humans. That's simple chemistry and biology. The amount put in drinking water, ADHD pills, and prozzak is not enough to kill humans. The fact that millions of Americans drink gallons of drinking water a week and take ADHD and/or prozzak without dying from that combination should be enough to prove that. I would venture a guess that the rat poison is in the water to kill bacteria that would kill humans, and apparently the chemical has some unfatal effect on the brain that I'm not familiar with. Personally, I think ADHD and prozzak are nothing but money-milking machines to "fix" overexagerated "problems", but that's my perspective, and that's no indication of murderous intentions. BTW, have rats been killed by drinking our drinking water?

I really don't like conspiracy theories. It's all a bunch of thrill-seeking, worry-mongering, truth-twisting tall tales. And even if any of it is remotely true... what? Should we rebel? Commit murder in the name of preventing it? Stop them from getting their way so we can get our way instead?

I don't like politics....

Edited by Ricky of Kokiri, 22 April 2009 - 01:38 PM.