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[Legen Dary]

Who cares about Nintendo? If Nintendo goes bankrupt I will only feel sorry for Koizumi. The rest can burn in hell.

[TheLegend_njf]

Ooooh! Now this debate really got heated!

But I must say it seems a bit too heated.

I guess the only thing I can add to this heated argument is the irony. Nintendo made true on its goal in making a fun unique system. The system is fun, and it is unique, and I enjoyed it. But it never updates, it hardly releases new games, many of the third party support companies they do have are actually skipping the Wii-U when releasing their major titles (Rockstar games is actually a 3rd party support for Nintendo, but feels GTA5 won't profit on it). It seems like the biggest thing Wii-U got planned is Rayman Legends (what??).

It doesn't take long before the reality sets in, this isn't fun.

Now despite Nintendo showing a strong (we are confident) image. They are desperate as fuck. I don't own the Wii-U, but I know someone who do. But I lied to Nintendo saying I want to transfer all my wii content over to my Wii-U which I don't even own. But my wii was broke, but of course they say "under the circumstances and being a proud Wii-U owner" they would repair my Wii for free so I can transfer content. Ya, whatever, what an easy way to save the normal $95 repair cost.

Nintendo knows they're in a desperate state, but what can they do? Whine about it? Put up a scene? Or be completely ignorant. Clearly they choose ignorance, because they don't want to throw in the towel.

I won't say I hate the system, or express it, I do actually enjoy and like the bloody thing, but it's simply not doing anything or going anywhere, and that's how I see it. It's simply a lost cause no matter what attitude or decisions they express.

[NoeL]

First of all, let it be known that EA isn't pulling out support entirely. They'll still be putting out games for the Wii U, just not as many as they have planned for the other two systems. The primary reason is that there's just not a lot of consumer interest in the Wii U. The secondary reason is that their primary engine, Frostbite, doesn't work too well on the Wii U. This makes it more of a hassle to develop for. And the tertiary reason could be that they're sour about Nintendo pulling the plug on a deal they had in the works to let EA handle the online side of things - essentially turning the Wii U into an Origin box.

 

As for the future of the Wii U, Nintendo have shot themselves in the foot AGAIN by not following the release with a steady stream of games. They ALWAYS do this. They ALWAYS fail to capitalise on the momentum of a hardware release and instead we get an apology from Iwata and a promise they'll learn with the next system (which they never do). Once the thing finally gets some games it'll pick up some steam. Luckily for them it looks as though Microsoft have taken a massive dump all over its consumer base with the Xbone, and so while it might still make good money as a home entertainment unit the gamer market will likely shift towards PS4/Wii U (mostly the former). There's also a general shift towards PC gaming, and a lot of people will pick up a Wii U (once it gets a decent library) because it offers a unique gameplay experience the other two don't.

[Orithan]

I really hope the Wii-U does get a decent market, especially with the indie games. That is the big reason why it isn't getting good sales - Nintendo has a unique, good idea with the Wii-U and that is their main selling point, it has the hypothetical 'killer app' with the tablet but Nintendo is failing at attracting the casual, indie market.
Imagine how much money Nintendo would make if they were able to get Minecraft onto the Wii-U's E-Shop. The Wii-U is perfectly suited to those games thanks to the tablet, which would allow you to access your menu and build/fight/travel on the fly. Granted, Minecraft alone won't sell the console in crazy numbers right away, but that would show the rest of the indie community that the Wii-U is capable of doing at least something and that would draw more indie devs over a period of time, maybe even Wii-U/3DS exclusives will crop up and Nintendo will finally get a good momentum rolling. Combine that them pumping out a powerful (if that happens) 1st party libary and now they would be in position to win this generation.

However, between the generally sour Japanese relationship with the western world, Nintendo's ignorance and the Wii-U's poor sales figures (outside of Japan), I can't feasibily see that happening right now. However, just as there is the very real possibility of failure (as where the Wii-U seems to be heading right now), there is always a real possibility of success.

 

Edit: Robin pointed out a misconception in PM and I decided to fix it

Edited by Orin XD, 27 May 2013 - 04:18 AM.

[Nicholas Steel]

World of Goo needs to get ported to Wii U with proper widescreen support (No, not the zoomed in view you get on the Wii version)

[TheLegend_njf]

I really hope the Wii-U does get a decent market, especially with the indie games. That is the big reason why it isn't getting good sales - Nintendo has a unique, good idea with the Wii-U and that is their main selling point, it has the hypothetical 'killer app' with the tablet but Nintendo is failing at attracting the casual, indie market.
Imagine how much money Nintendo would make if they were able to get Minecraft onto the Wii-U's E-Shop. The Wii-U is perfectly suited to those games thanks to the tablet, which would allow you to access your menu and build/fight/travel on the fly. Granted, Minecraft alone won't sell the console in crazy numbers right away, but that would show the rest of the indie community that the Wii-U is capable of doing at least something and that would draw more indie devs over a period of time, maybe even Wii-U/3DS exclusives will crop up and Nintendo will finally get a good momentum rolling. Combine that them pumping out a powerful (if that happens) 1st party libary and now they would be in position to win this generation.
However, between the generally sour Japanese relationship with the western world, Nintendo's ignorance and the Wii-U's poor sales figures (outside of Japan), I can't feasibily see that happening right now. However, just as there is the very real possibility of failure (as where the Wii-U seems to be heading right now), there is always a real possibility of success.
 
Edit: Robin pointed out a misconception in PM and I decided to fix it

That's a fine read, and I believe you're right. Nintendo could certainly have an edge over the competition if they even made half the effort to do what an iPad can do for example. But I'm afraid Nintendo is just as interested now to do that as they were ever interested in doing what Microsoft and Sony did.

It seems still that Nintendo wants to be just "Nintendo" and be known for that. Whatever that may be anymore today. I wouldn't be surprised that you'll never see Minecraft on it. But I can be corrected, because Nintendo does have Netflix, which means their heads ain't completely under the sand.

[Shane]

Nintendo are trying to make gaming innovative, a fresh new experience at playing games with each upcoming console. They perfected the Wii, DS(s) and Wii U on that aspect, kudos and two thumbs up form me, I don't really like it at heart, but it's cool what they are trying to do more or less. But the question is, are their consoles really suitable for today's gaming?

Edited by Shane, 27 May 2013 - 08:08 AM.

[TheLegend_njf]

I'm starting to wonder if they are suitable for anything.

Today I am not certain about the Wii, but I do know the 3DS is big with kids today. Nearly every kid has a 3ds.

[Koh]

I'm starting to wonder if they are suitable for anything.

Today I am not certain about the Wii, but I do know the 3DS is big with kids today. Nearly every kid has a 3ds.

Not around here they don't.  I rarely see anyone with such a thing XD.

[Old-Skool]

This is still EA we're talking about. Compare Capcom and Konami. When *those* guys stop supporting Nintendo, then you *know* it's time to go belly-up. Especially if brother Sega of all things pulls out. 

[TheLegend_njf]

Capcom ain't that good anymore, and it's still the same argument "oh, it's only EA". When people here has made clear solid points why "it's only EA" should be considered a big thing.

[Old-Skool]

Capcom ain't that good anymore, and it's still the same argument "oh, it's only EA". When people here has made clear solid points why "it's only EA" should be considered a big thing.

Capcom is better than EA. 

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

Capcom is better than EA. 

Capcom is in no way a saint, but you're missing the point. While your personal opinion might be that Capcom releases 'better' games (again, this is purely subjective), the problem here is that EA is the bigger company. We're talking big, as in they've got a fair amount of power when it comes to the video game industry. And they are bigger than Capcom - and that is why EA going this route is a biiiiig problem for Nintendo.

 

If you don't know why that's a big problem, I suggest you read my previous post in this thread.