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[TheLegend_njf]

"When you can get to number one in the Wii U charts by selling less than 1000 units it's no longer a tragedy, it's an actual farce" this is what was said by EA when they decided to discontinue putting their games on the Wii-U console and decided to support Nintendo in alternative means. (If my sources are incorrect, you can correct me).

It would also seem that stores are actually trying to get the Wii-U's off their shelves because they are just fed up with having Wii-Us on their shelves. Haters will be haters, and I will repeat, you can doubt my sources. Even worse is the fact that not only is Xbox 360, and Ps3s outselling the Wii-U, but the Wiis are actually selling more systems.

I have been researching this with some sense of dread for quite some time, because of the money that was spent on this system from poor folk who was lead to believe this would be some big thing. But it's clearly more than just Nintendo hate, it's a betrayal towards fans, and the downfall of Nintendo.

People still claim they should just port to the other consoles, but I think they should really just throw in the towel, sell out, and at least try to claim some legacy in this world.

Because ya know, the old must perish, I think that's the real bottom line here. But what do I know?

This is my second topic about the hard shape of the Wii-U, but with the X-Box One and PS4 right around the corner, I think I would be more satisfied to say that any continued support towards Nintendo is foolhardy, misleading, and continuing a problem that should be snipped as soon as the Wiis started collecting dust.

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http://www.gamesindu...death-by-apathy

[The Satellite]

I see it as an improvement. The devil of gaming has left Nintendo alone, now people won't have to worry about that awful company ruining their experience!

 

Kidding of course, but honestly, meh, so the Wii U won't get more Madden repaints, what a shame. And I dunno, I think it's too early to tell with the Wii U. Sure, they made some mess-ups, like not ensuring a solid launch lineup, and hardware that might end up outdated this year already, but I don't think we're seeing the "downfall of Nintendo" anytime soon. They've got plenty of money anyway, they can afford to do whatever they want. And they still have their fans, and as long as they have fans, that's all that will really matter to them.

 

And I don't think it's foolish to continue supporting Nintendo.

[Russ]

So hey, remember when Nintendo said the machine would have third party support and EA said they'd play a big part of it? Yeah... Nintendo, you dun screwed up. As much as I love Nintendo, I don't see them being able to last another generation with no third party support. They'll probably try to make one more console after the Wii U, but if they can't get it right then... they'll probably be going the Sega route. Well, Nintendo handhelds will probably stick around, but consoles... probably not.

[TheLegend_njf]

I know my post has been a bit too cynical, and for that I apologies. It's just the only way I can describe that bitter taste on the tongue sensation that I feel. A mild sense of hopelessness over a subject I normally shouldn't care much more or much less for, but interestingly enough that it continues to arouse my researching interests.

But even that has left me feeling a sense of guilt, that even being interested in what this company is doing is a sign of madness or something. I'll try to be less cynical, but I just ain't feeling much like a fan anymore lately.

Also, in an agreement with the Satellite, the Nintendo can afford cutting their losses with the Wii-U if it became a failure, they were financially powerful enough to do the same with the Wii. That's something Microsoft and Sony can't afford however.

But I guess it's that "Next time will be different" speech is what left that sour bitter taste.

[Nicholas Steel]

So we won't get roster updates for Fifa, who cares? (Yes I am referring to the Fifa 2013 farce on the Wii)

[Orithan]

Well, I don't think Nintendo were benefitting from EA much. Not especially after EA made the ridiculous offer to offer them better online capabilities at the cost of making the Wii-U's WiFi an Origin-exclusive network but hey, they got Ubisoft's good side because they basically told EA to go screw themselves with that offer. Even if EA stayed with the Wii-U, I doubt that they would help it at all because they wouldn't be very happy with that decision at all.

To be honest, I saw this coming and I couldn't care less.

[TheLegend_njf]

This is embarrassing but funny, but lets just put this out in a Canadian perspective, especially a Newfoundland one. A video game system that doesn't include the "Big next NHL" game will be enough. NHL is big here, and I'd say that's enough to consider the system a joke where I'm from.

And especially with how people think, they will often translate Nintendo's loss here to a lack of ability, for example "If Nintendo ain't powerful enough to make a hockey game, than what can they make????"

Betraying hockey fans here in NL is not a good thing, even though its not technically betraying hockey fans, it's how people will see it unfortunately. Lol

[Shane]

So hey, remember when Nintendo said the machine would have third party support and EA said they'd play a big part of it?

Don't worry, we have our Mario Kart 89 and Mario Table Tennis, what more could you want? *runs*

 

Well, I just hope Nintendo know what they're doing from this point on.

Edited by Shane, 26 May 2013 - 08:46 AM.

[Dawnlight]

If any console teams with Valve, then Game Over. I guess this news only hurts with games such as Battlefield, Rock Band, and Medal of Honor, etc.

[Ventus]

I'm glad that EA has stopped making games for the Wii U. at least the Wii U won't be tainted by a crap shoot company.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

It's easy to make excuses and say that hey, this is good because EA is bad. Now, I won't get into that whole discussion about EA here, because that's not the big problem here. The big problem is that one of this industry's absolute biggest publishers are backing off from Nintendo's main new platform.

 

Seriously, if you guys can't see the problem with this, you're blind. This is a huuuuge issue, because it sets a precedent. What's gonna happen next? Is Activision gonna drop out? Is Ubisoft eventually gonna be fed up with Nintendo's completely backwards way of doing business? If you think this isn't a possibility, then you're being ignorant. It's exactly what happened to the Wii, except the Wii still sold a whole lot to the casual market, so Nintendo at least got to see some profit. That's not the case with the Wii U, and you know this is a problem when Wii games are still selling better than the Wii U-titles.

 

I said it before it came out, and my opinion has not changed. Wii U is doomed. It'll never reach the heights of the Wii, and considering Wii's only accomplishment was its sales numbers: the games themselves never sold well on the Wii - in fact, most people who bought the Wii only got one game for it, and that was Wii Sports - the game that came with the damn console. There's a very clear lack of people buying games here, and that is the big problem. When large publishers like EA are saying they're backing out from the console entirely, that means there'll be even less games for the few Wii U owners there are to buy.

 

And don't think this is just gonna be EA. It's going to be others, and it's going to hurt Nintendo in the long run. You can ignore this all you want, but that's not going to change anything: the facts are out there, if you're willing to read up on the subject. To say that you don't think Nintendo benefits from having a publisher like EA making games for their system, like Orin XD did above, is just flat out wrong. Orin, I know you said you didn't care, but if you don't know what you're talking about it really would be better to not open your mouth to begin with. All you're doing is contributing to this weird sense of patriotism towards Nintendo, even when they're clearly doing something very wrong.

 

I really wish people would stop looking at Nintendo as if they're incapable of making mistakes. Fact is they've done a whole lot of them lately, and that's not an opinion, it is a god damned fact. They are losing money, they are losing customers, they are losing fans. Anyone should be able to see that this is clearly not going well for them.

 

It's like you're all in denial.

[Koh]

If any console teams with Valve, then Game Over. I guess this news only hurts with games such as Battlefield, Rock Band, and Medal of Honor, etc.

This is what Nintendo should do.  Maybe even get some Nintendo titles on the Steam Box.

[Moonbread]

I'm pretty sure Robin covered it all, but yeah.  This is not good at all for Nintendo.  Despite a lot of people's feelings on the 'lack of quality' of EA, they make a lot of games that sell really well regardless of that thinking, and that's kind of the important thing here.  Look at something like Activision and Call of Duty- there's a lot of people who hate CoD (such as myself) because it does the same thing over and over, but you know what?  Still the most successful franchise in the world.  Can you really fault them for repeating a successful strategy over and over?  There's nothing wrong with thinking that they should do something new, but when they have in the past, it just ended up being a risk that hurt them, ultimately.  They're more interested in money, and it's better to play it safe.

 

I don't necessarily think the Wii U is doomed, myself, but I think it's going to take a beating.  Even if it doesn't sell quite as well as the PS4/XONE (okay, maybe just the PS4 /joke), I think it'll still make decent enough sales to keep the boat afloat.  If they don't learn from this, though, then they really are with no better way to put this- well, fucked.  They don't have to cut out all the gimmicks with a sword, but they need to put more priority into making sure third party companies will actually give a crap about them.

 

On a separate rant (this is more about my feelings on games, not the inner cogs and sprockets of big business):

I, myself, admit that I hate that this is the way that gaming has run its course.  I prefer the old days of consoles being completely different from each other, rather than it turning into a scramble to have the same titles as everyone else.  Sure, it's more convenient to be able to just choose based on what first party titles you prefer and still get a lot of the same games put on other consoles.  But there was just something way more interesting about Nintendo vs Sega in the 80s and 90s- there was a greater diversity in what they each offered, and it felt like there was actually was two completely different companies competing, rather than it feeling more like 'Pepsi vs Coke' these days.

[Koh]

Can I like your Post Scootaloo?  I have the feels that it's only going to get worse from here though.  If Virtual Reality comes within our lifetime, I don't have a shred of doubt that any game that DOESN'T use it will automatically be considered "shit games with shitty grafics."  Misspelled graphics on purpose, because those who say that tend to not even be able to spell the word properly XD.

Edited by Koh, 26 May 2013 - 02:32 PM.

[Linkus]

To be honest, it seems that a lot of publishers and developers that aren't owned by a parent console producer seems to be at conflict with even creating games for consoles right now. Now that all of them have been revealed, none of them really let them do or have access to what they want and only offer more complicated layers developers have to deal with.

 

At this point, I think everyone would be happy if there was just a console that only focused on games and an online store. The Ouya is without a doubt the best device to fit the bill right now, but it's not going to take off very well given the current problems, and thanks to the lack of performance, it's not going to be attractive enough to get big-name power-pushing titles on the console.