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#16 Manifesto Empire

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 01:46 PM

I completely agree 110%, we are hoping for a revolution here, just because we may find ourselfs pondering over such things and thinking were slaves doesn't mean it is so, but doesn't mean it doesn't exist either, we do have a window of oportunity here folks, if it came down to it and the government did decide to thin out the population, what would you do theoretically speaking that is.
I mean the holocaust happend to people like us, what makes you think history has changed any? the same people have been in charge for years, even MTV is talking about this subject. What are we to do?
Just because i say this and this are happening doesn't mean it's true, are you a slave? It's as simple as understanding how the corporate monopolies work, just say no, you arn't, i doubt anyone would want to be a slave, just say no, say no to voting for another retard who works for the same agenda.
Look at obama, so far he's lied about everything, and I mean EVERYTHING!

- Will Obama support Dennis Kucinich’s efforts to bring war crimes charges against Bush, Cheney and others for deceiving the country into a war or will he protect them against such charges like Nancy Pelosi has done?
In April 2008, Obama promised that as President he would ask his Attorney General to “immediately review” potential war crimes that occurred under the Bush White House. Obama or his Attorney General have done no such thing, and every noise they have made suggests that top Neo-Cons will be protected from deceiving America into a war.
Similarly we asked;
- Will Obama bring war crimes charges against Bush, Cheney and others for authorizing torture and will the torture of suspects under U.S. detention, a complete violation of both the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions, cease under an Obama administration?
As we found out last week, the answer was a resounding NO. Upon the release of the torture memos, Obama’s right-hand man, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, told ABC News that top Bush administration officials “should not be prosecuted either and that’s not the place that we go.” In addition, Obama’s statement that accompanied the release of the torture memos stated, “In releasing these memos, it is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution.”
So no retribution for the people who ordered the torture, and no retribution to the people who carried it out, thus setting the precedent that future administrations are free to order torture - safe in the knowledge that they will face no consequences whatsoever.
- Will Obama withdraw American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan without sending them away again to bomb another broken-backed third world country?
The answer again is a resounding NO. Upon taking office, Obama announced that he would be sending another 17,000, and eventually perhaps as many as 30,000, extra troops to Afghanistan.
Regarding Iraq, after the “withdrawal” of U.S. troops in 19 months, a timescale that has since been put back again, “Mr. Obama plans to leave behind a “residual force” of tens of thousands of troops to continue training Iraqi security forces, hunt down foreign terrorist cells and guard American institutions,” reported the New York Times.
In terms of bombing another broken-backed third world country, Obama has beefed the U.S. military role in Pakistan beyond that pursued by the Bush administration and “expanded the covert war run by the Central Intelligence Agency inside Pakistan,” according to the New York TImes, with an increase in missile attacks by drone aircraft.
Meanwhile, Obama’s war chest demands came to a total of around $800 billion in war funds and subsidiary costs just to cover the rest of 2009.
Does any of this sound like a move towards bringing the troops home and rolling back the American empire, as Obama promised before he was elected?
- Will Obama end the warrantless secret surveillance and phone-taps of American citizens?
You’ll be shocked the learn that the answer was a resounding NO. Earlier this month, “The Obama administration formally adopted the Bush administration’s position that the courts cannot judge the legality of the National Security Agency’s (NSA’s) warrantless wiretapping program,” reported the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
“President Obama promised the American people a new era of transparency, accountability, and respect for civil liberties,” said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. “But with the Obama Justice Department continuing the Bush administration’s cover-up of the National Security Agency’s dragnet surveillance of millions of Americans, and insisting that the much-publicized warrantless wiretapping program is still a ’secret’ that cannot be reviewed by the courts, it feels like deja vu all over again.”
- Will Obama cease his support for the Bush-administration backed banker bailouts, hated by the majority of Americans, and target the real cause of the problem - the Federal Reserve - or will he continue to give taxpayers’ money to banks who are merely hoarding it all for themselves?
Obama’s zealous push for more bailouts, along with increased power for the Federal Reserve and the implementation of global regulations that will effectively end any notion of a free market was perhaps the defining issue of his first 100 days as President. Obama has vigorously promoted the same financial policies that were introduced by the Bush administration in its final few months.
- Will Obama repeal Patriot Acts I and II as well as reversing Bush’s signing statement and acknowledging the repeal of the John Warner Defense Authorization Act? Will Obama seek to continue the militarization of America and preparations for martial law through Northcom and the secret government or will he dismantle the police state that has been constructed over the last eight years by the Bush administration?
Despite initial rhetoric about reversing Bush’s infamous signing statements, Obama himself stated that he will continue to use signing statements. The Patriot Act and its additions as well as the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, both core planks of the Bush police state, remain firmly in place, with no sign of any reversal.
Regarding militarization through Northcom, weeks after Obama’s election victory it was announced that, “The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.” Militarization of law enforcement and troops being used domestically in preparation for martial law is continuing apace under the Obama administration.
- Will Obama follow through on his rhetorical support for the second amendment or will he seek to ban guns as he did in Illinois?
Despite Obama promising that he was not interested in going after the second amendment before his election, one of his first actions was to appoint the rabidly anti-gun Eric Holder as his Attorney General. Obama has also falsely blamed the drug war crisis in Mexico on American gun shops. The leaked Obama gun ban list would make millions of Americans criminals for owning weapons such certain types of rifles or pistols. Anti-gun legislation has found its way into stimulus and other unrelated bills as pork barrel. The first steps of the Obama administration with regard to gun control have resulted in record firearm and ammunition purchases across the country.
Upon Obama’s election we made a cynical but unfortunately accurate prediction of how the much vaunted promise of “change” would actually manifest itself. The fact is that the “change” began and ended on the day Obama won the election.
- Illegal warrantless surveillance and wiretapping of American citizens will continue under Obama.
- Top Bush administration officials who ordered torture and those that carried it out will be protected from prosecution under Obama.
- Top Bush administration officials who deceived America into a war will be protected from prosecution under Obama.
- The expansion of the military empire through continued occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and further military incursions into Pakistan will continue and expand under Obama.
- Banker bailouts, reckless spending, inflation of currency through overprinting and global regulations stifling the free market, all of which were initiated under Bush, will continue under Obama.
- The militarization of the United States and the architecture of the police state that was set up under Bush will be preserved and expanded under Obama.
- The attack on the second amendment right to bear arms will continue under Obama.
“The egregious spending will continue, government will balloon in size, American soldiers will be used as cannon fodder for more interventionist wars of the military-industrial complex, U.S. citizens will continue to have their phone calls tapped and their rights curtailed,” we forecast last year, “and the Federal Reserve will continue to rule the financial system with an iron fist while the middle class is squeezed out of existence.”
Who can deny that all those things have only intensified under the Obama administration?
The honeymoon is over - Barack Obama has proven himself to be nothing more than we predicted all along - another stooge for the global banking syndicate that has controlled every U.S. president since JFK, and nothing more than a black face on the new world order - sworn to continue and intensify the same agenda that the Bush-Clinton-Bush dynasty advanced before him.

and the list goes on, can you trust this man? Did you even read this?

At all comes down to the boiling point, do we want a revolution? Or do we want to continue the way were going and destroy the earth?

You ask yourself, and be honest.

In all honesty, you would have to be a retard to think nothing is going on....no offence, but c'mon....how can you not see this is all a planned agenda?

Edited by Shashomaru, 22 April 2009 - 02:08 PM.


#17 Saffith

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 03:23 PM

QUOTE(Shashomaru @ Apr 22 2009, 01:12 PM) View Post
I don't need anything to back this up
Yes, you do. Otherwise, you're just making stuff up.

#18 Sheik

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 03:36 PM

Want to protect the earth? Stop driving car, bus, whatever, simply stop using any technology that could pollute the enviroment; use less water; ... the list can go on and on and I don't want to think about more. This is not saying that I'm against protecting the earth, I'd say that doing something for the enviroment, as little as is may seem, is good.

Do we want the revolution? I'd say no. The current system works. It's unbeliveable unfair and full of lies, but it works after all. That's something mankind revoluted and fought for for hundrets of years. And here I think the same what Ricky does: replacing selfish people with selfish people won't help anything. And if you don't look just at your government-is-bad-thing you'll see that our society is a pretty social one. People donating millions of euros (or dollar, doesn't matter) to the poor and needing. The cause for them being poor (for example developing countries) of course are the goverments of our ( =G8 nations) governments and the one that were before them, but just look at the news: oconomy crisis; Leeman brothers. Free market policy and deregulation will not go on like they used to ever again (at least I guess, since everyone's screaming for regulation). Things are getting better. Don't be that pessimistic about goverment, people vote them, abuse of might is just natural (to a certain level). And I haven't read your Obama-conspiracy theory, because I don't care about Obama, I don't even care about Merkel, I dislike politics; the thing that's interesting here for me (the reason to discuss with you after all) is the philosophical and psychological side of it.

And if you're still bothering about the slayery thing than I'll try to give you another answer, the psychologyical one (since the philosophical hasn't worked for you I think): The psychology, at least Freud (here as synonym for depth psychology), will say that human are indeed slaves. Slaves of themselves, of their unconcious. I'm refering to the strata and instances model by Freud (auf Deutsch Schichten- und Instanzenmodell, ich hab echt keine Ahnung wie das auf englisch heißt; I don't know how to translate it properly). So being slave (of yourself) is human nature.

No offense here.

#19 Fabbrizio

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE(Eurysilas @ Apr 9 2009, 02:15 PM) View Post

A slave is defined by my dictionary as one entity owning another.


Really? I see it more as "involuntarily giving without receiving". In this sense getting taxed makes you a slave, because 99% of the time your tax money is not going where you want it to and it benefits you none.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE(PowerGauntlets @ Apr 22 2009, 10:46 PM) View Post

because 99% of the time your tax money is not going where you want it to and it benefits you none.


I'm beging to understand Hobbes' natural state. -.- I'll even start to believe him if you all go on like that...





Edit: @ Shashomaru: No one is expecting that Obama will remake America. Look at history, look at Caesar. He restructed the roman empire and was murded. It teached something to mankind.

Edited by Shiek, 22 April 2009 - 04:00 PM.


#21 Manifesto Empire

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:11 PM

If i show you some proof you would all bluff it all anyhow, but the problem comes when it is true, i don't have to prove anything, everyone has to prove me wrong, wanna know why? Statistics are real, they show a turning point in the information available, and the information that is available on this subject overrule the the "prove it factor" by 6X that witch is not proven.

Go ahead see for yourself, type in google:

New world order is real

then look at the hits.

it's 88,400,000 hits.

now type in:

New World order is fake

then look at the hits.

it's 7,480,000 hits.

thats bigger than the hits aliens bring up (63,500,000)

that means this this isn't story time, or a little fantasy this has been documented throughout history very well.

A conspiracy is an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage.

what do you think these people have done? Were loosing rights and freedoms everyday, this isn't a conspiracy anymore.
New world order means world government, there is no other context, when i mean slave, i mean not imaginary or psychological, i mean slave.......PERIOD

If you could spare under 11 minutes, this could be proven, don't be baffled, this isn't for little kids either, your either smart about it, or you can play it up and deny yourself some truth.

watch this video.

Proof of the new world order in under 11 Minutes

this is happening now folks, you sure you don't want a revolution?

Edit@ if you read my little to large of a post up there, thats proof enough we are sleepwalking dead on into a police state, a fascist dictatorship.

Edited by Shashomaru, 22 April 2009 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:17 PM

Type in "Magic is Real."
96,600,000 hits.
Type in "Magic is Fake."
8,380,000 hits.

Using Google hits as a legitimate proving ground for your arguments does not hold water well.

#23 Manifesto Empire

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:23 PM

can you prove magic isn't real?

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:26 PM

Because 100% of the Internet is people expressing the FACTS.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:37 PM

QUOTE(Shashomaru @ Apr 22 2009, 04:23 PM) View Post
can you prove magic isn't real?
Nope, but just because you can't prove that I'm not a magical unicorn doesn't give me a horn either.


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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:39 PM

this has nothing to do with facts, it's the amount of hits vs the amount of hits, meaning more people are searching in this than that, that alone means that the the majority of the population believes in this.
It's as accurate as saying the news is right, correct?
Don't be so nieve as to wonder why your not taught to discredit the news right?
Or even question why schools still teach Darwinism when it clearly is fantasy since there is no half lizard birds anywhere on earth, or even fossilized.
I don't see an elephant bird anywhere do you? No, but i certainly see politics....duh.


Edit@ Clearly the new world order isn't good, either way you look at it, I only tell you all this because we all share a creative hobbie, zc, we are all friends here on this site, we never tell anyone there content is crap, we all only give the best to one another, speaking from my heart i only tell you this so hopefully you may heed the warning, i don't tell everyone and anyone this stuff, i'd rather not waist my time with such, but the people of this site all hold a commonality we all share, i only say this because i care to some extent for each one of you weather you read it or not, no one whants to see someone feel pain or missery. No one. It's not in human nature to fight so much.
If we all don't do something about this, the end result isn't pleasant, for none except the ones who inflict this upon us all.

Peace.

Edited by Shashomaru, 22 April 2009 - 04:56 PM.


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Posted 22 April 2009 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE(Shashomaru @ Apr 22 2009, 02:23 PM) View Post

can you prove magic isn't real?


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Actually, before I respond to that, define "magic". Do you mean the fantasy version with wizards and spells, or do you mean the technical based-on-ignorance version that explains unnatural occurances like cars and rockets? (I just read an account of a family in India many years ago who would not give a pint of blood to save their daughter because they believed giving blood was the same as giving up life, so I can see technology being described as "magic".)

Regarding Google hits, I'd like to point out that "new world order" is a very popular topic. You have people who want world peace. You have people (such as myself) who believe that Biblical prophecy points to a satanic new world order being formed at an unknown time in the future (the Tribulation), and you have people who have made a whole lot of money making novels and movies based on that (Tim LaHaye comes to mind). You also have a bunch of religious people who use current events to say that the Tribulation is almost upon us. Yeah, there will be a lot of hits. The majority- if not all- of them are going to be religious and/or speculative. That's not a good foundation for you to work with when presenting a case. You essentially said that eighty million people talking about the reality of a new world order thus makes a new world order real. In that case, you might as well put this thread as a hit. Discussion is not evidence.

Look, I understand you're concerned, and possibly getting worked up over this. That's not good for you. All I'm pointing out is that much of your evidence is purely circumstantial. To quote Sherlock Holmes in The Boscombe Valley Mystery as he discussed the case with Watson- and I am very aware this could apply to all involved in this conversation:

"Circumstantial evidence is a very tricky thing. It may seem to point very straight to one thing, but if you shift your own point of view a little, you may find it pointing in an equally uncompromising manner to something entirely different... There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact."

EDIT: I take too long to write these posts.

Edited by Ricky of Kokiri, 22 April 2009 - 05:07 PM.


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Posted 22 April 2009 - 05:19 PM

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If i show you some proof you would all bluff it all anyhow, but the problem comes when it is true, i don't have to prove anything, everyone has to prove me wrong

You make the claims, you find the evidence. Put up or shut up, as they say. Having others do the work for you is either lazy or dishonest, if not both.

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Statistics are real, they show a turning point in the information available, and the information that is available on this subject overrule the the "prove it factor" by 6X that witch is not proven.
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that means this this isn't story time, or a little fantasy this has been documented throughout history very well.

And the amount of information about Doctor Who is increasing even more dramatically. If you think there's any correlation at all between the amount of information available and its veracity, you're quite wrong.

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Meh. Same old unsubstantiated fearmongering from unreliable sources. Geez, Glenn Beck? Seriously? The fact that he says that stuff is more reason to doubt it, if anything.
They could at least have cut out the filler. There'd probably be less then five minutes left.

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this has nothing to do with facts, it's the amount of hits vs the amount of hits, meaning more people are searching in this than that, that alone means that the the majority of the population believes in this.
It's as accurate as saying the news is right, correct?

"Jesus is Hitler": 3,780 results.
"Jesus is not Hitler": 4 results.
I guess that's settled.

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Or even question why schools still teach Darwinism when it clearly is fantasy since there is no half lizard birds anywhere on earth, or even fossilized.
I don't see an elephant bird anywhere do you? No, but i certainly see politics....duh.

Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of evolutionary theory could tell you that it predicts nothing of the sort. Getting basic science wrong doesn't help your credibility.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 05:26 PM

I understand your point, but i'm talking about the new world order in a political view as, certain elite buying companies who own other companies like the media, cops, firefighters and other corporations that basically run the show, and can justify anything they do by saying we asked for it.

The only religious part about the new world order that is relivent in our day is the RFID chip, and that isn't even on the same scale nor page as I'm talking.

The new world order means world government, there is no other context to put it under, it has nothing to do with religion nor it's point of view where from, thats using a scapegoat almost to hid the new world order under a cloth of "magic"...and that my friend is not the correct viewpoint of such.
No offense at all, i'm not religious is all, and my viewpoint on the new world order has nothing to do with religion nor do those google hits, the new world order has NOTHING at this moment anything to do with religion, what you are talking about is the esoteric agenda, and no one is ready for that one.....we'll save that for when people have matured more.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 05:35 PM

People can want a new world order, but as long as all they do is post on the internet about it, zilch is gonna happen. By the way, popular opinion isn't always right.

And what do you exactly know about the future, Mr. Supposed Fortune Teller? Next you'll be telling me that in 50 years, we'll be drinking soap instead of water.


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